The Strange Logic Of Kirralie Smith, Anti-Halal Truther
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newmatilda.comPosted Nov 21, 2014, 7:54 AM UTC
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newmatilda.comWankers taking us to the next recession. When the jobs start going, they'll say 'Who? Us? Nah.'
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What a fucking numpty,!
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thought it was the US who armed ISIS to fight Assad - do we boycott Disney and Coke as well?
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boycott disney, boycotting coke will affect South America, not the USA
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Why would you bow out of a $50k contract because of some looneys. Crazy!
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As an experiment i bought some non-halal yogurt, and some halal certified yogurt. In a double blind test the halal yogurt was definitely more terroristy, with a hint of Islam.
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This lady actually used to do a bit of teaching at my school. She taught religious studies occasionally but was an absolute nutcase (even 13 year old me could tell this). She once told a 'true' story about how she was praying in a circle in a church and a lady crashed through the ceiling. The lady was apparently a witch flying above the church but the power of christ disrupted her powers and sent her crashing through the roof.
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Can't we just say that water is halal, and be done with it?
Like to see these suckers boycott water.
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Water is halal.
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not if its run through a bacon filter.
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I hear air is Halal too. Obviously Islam will corrupt us no matter what we do.
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They're trying to poison our precious bodily fluids!
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What a surprise that she's making the rounds through mainstream media, and they aren't calling her out on her bullshit for what it is.
I sometimes wonder how much money I could make if I took all the best crackpot bullshit from the internet and peddled it to ignorant bigots.
But then I remember I have a conscience.
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Ask Rhonda Byrne.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the fee for Halal certification is so absolutely minuscule in the scheme of things that this whole idea is a joke? It's $1000! Even if we ignore the fact that it will demonstrably pay for itself by increasing sales, it's still not really enough to make any significant difference. Large food concerns like Mondelez (Vegemite) would lose orders of magnitude more money on operational inefficiencies, or wining and dining business partners, or their office Christmas parties, than to a once-off $1000 fee.
And as for the argument that the money goes to terrorists (which has not a shred of hard evidence); even if that were true, they'd only be getting $1000 (less expenses) for a product that goes on the market. And I'm sure if they can convince people to blow themselves up, they can convince their followers to "tithe" their salaries, and make a hell of a lot more money that way.
If Halal certification is a money-making scam, it's a pretty lousy one.
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I reckon you're spot on. It's a marketing exercise that enables access to overseas markets or provides certainty for customers in the domestic market.
People object to the funds going to support a religion. Sure, but as long as you avoid supporting all religious organisations who produce food related items (Sanitarium - Seventh Day Adventists, Pancake Parlour - Scientology). If not, and you only have objections about Halal then I think you have a problem with your logic.
If there are stories out there about organisations being forced into having Halal certification then I'm all ears. At the moment the stories are all about the pressure from the anti-Halal brigade. As far as I am aware organisations are voluntarily participating in this scheme because they see an economic benefit to it.
As you've pointed out the cost incurred by the producer is minimal in the scheme of things. As someone else pointed out, if it was adding a lot to the prices then you've got yourself a market opportunity to sell uncertified food (Halal or not). They probably spend more on the Heart Foundation tick of approval.
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where is my choice in the matter? What if I want non-certified Halal foods? Surely my choice is just as valid as their choice, or do their beliefs over rule my right to choose?
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What if I want non-certified Halal foods?
Then buy non certified Halal foods.
Not available?
Well, that's just the free market at work then, I guess.
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Isn't the usual response to tell someone to start their own business producing non-halal food?
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I suppose that might be the next logical step if the market isn't catering to your demands.
But talking to some random person on an internet forum, I tend not to assume they're that productive.
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Would you refuse to buy food that was certified by the heart foundation? It's just a label that has no effect on the food contained within. In all honesty the only thing on the label that should bother you is the nutritional information.
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the difference is that heart foundation isn't based on religious dogma, should we also start paying for Christian and Buddhist seals of approval?
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You're not paying for it, they are, and any costs that are passed on to the consumer are so bloody small you wouldn't be able to make any discernible difference. In fact it's highly unlikely they're passing any sort of cost at all to the consumer because getting this certification means they can expand their customer base. If anything it would mean a reduction in pricing as their total yield would increase which allows them to reduce their profit margin and become more competitive.
But in the end you have the choice of buying something else if it means that much to you.
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You're not paying for it, they are, and any costs that are passed on to the consumer
so i'm not but i am, good to know.
again what happens when every religion and group demands its own and at time conflicting certifications?
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I see halah stickers on more food and at more shops than I do heart foundation stickers.
Your logic is flawed. If I choose to not buy heart foundation approved food, that should also be my choice.
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I see halah stickers on more food and at more shops than I do heart foundation stickers. Your logic is flawed.
So my logic is flawed because of your personal bias?
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a choice is not bias.
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yes, that's true, however will this help you lose weight?
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What if I want non-certified Halal foods?
Um... buy them? How the hell is this difficult?
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it is difficult to buy them when this halal crap is stuck everywhere.
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Imagine if they printed 'peanut-free' on the side of the Vegemite jar, so that people with peanut allergies knew they could eat Vegemite safely. Would you be suddenly upset to learn that Vegemite is peanut-free, and start protesting that you have a right to eat peanut-laden vegemite?
Vegemite is vegetarian and thus halal anyway. The fact that it has a halal stamp literally doesn't affect your life in any way.
All fruits, vegetables, spices, grains, herbs and dairy products are halal.
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Some idiots make claims about terrorism financing and dieting
"LOL SEE HOW SILLY THE ANTI-HALAL CROWD IS?"
Ignore every other point about consumer choice, customers not wishing to support companies that give even cents to Islam and/or any other religious group, customers not wanting their food checked by said religious groups on principle, the possibility of animal cruelty with meat-based halal products, etc.
Stay classy newmatilda.
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Ignore every other point about consumer choice
No one is forcing you to buy Halal certified foods. All that is being said is most people who object to buying Halal do so for really stupid reasons.
Customers not wishing to support companies that give even cents to Islam and/or any other religious group
Alright, but if you ditch Halal you have to ditch Kosher, as well as all Sanitarium products (sanitarium is owned by the Seventh Day Adventists). It seems Halal is being targeted in particular.
customers not wanting their food checked by said religious groups on principle
Why? What's so bad about a muslim or a jew checking food ingredients / slaughter procedure / manufacturing processes to verify its consumption is suitable for other muslims/jews? How is it different from any other dietary certification like vegan, organic, etc? How does it affect you?
the possibility of animal cruelty with meat-based halal products
In my experience the people concerned about animal cruelty and those vehemently against halal are two disjoint sets of people.
I am concerned about animal cruelty. Frankly, I don't care if a cow is shot through the head with a bolt gun or whether it's stunned then has its throat cut - Both are quick and minimise suffering. I'd be much more concerned about the cruelty inflicted on animals for their entire lives before slaughter, which is present regardless of the final certification of the meat whether it be halal, non-halal, kosher, organic, whatever.
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We really should be more tolerant...what's wrong with a little female genital mutilation, marrying off your 12 year old daughter, the odd beheading. the 30 minutes extra it takes to get through customs just because of a few indiscretions, not allowing your wife the same equality and dressing them up like darth vader just to shop at Coles.
Be glad of those extra few cents on every can of baked beans - be more tolerant - after all what has islam done to you?
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Islam had done a lot for the world, historically. I'm atheist be I'm not so ignorant as to ignore history and write off all followers of the world's second largest religion in bigoted drivel.
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Islam had done a lot for the world, historically.
...anything in the last 600 years?
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Yes. You do know that Australia only for settled about 200 years ago, right?
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can you name them?
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No that is something I was unaware of. I always believed the first wave of immigration came sometime before the 45- 60 thousand year arrival of the second wave - the ancestors of our current indigenous population.
Our first contact with islam would have been in the 11th century when muslim ships began trading with Indonesia which led to its transformation from a hindu/buddhist country by the 16th century.
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Because people made discoveries or inventions who happened to be Islamic doesn't mean that Islam is responsible for those discoveries. With this in mind, what has Islam done for the world?
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Islam has been, and is today, the foundation of many prosperous societies which had been the foundation for advancing civilization. In that regard it is no better or worse than other religions. Yes, it has its flaws just as other religions do but to say that it has done nothing for us is utterly ignorant.
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What is one prosperous society today with Islam as a foundation of it?
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after all what has islam done to you?
Oh... nothing? Righty-o then.
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....the roads...what about the roads?
Ok the roads...but they only go to Mecca!
...suicide bombers?...no that was the Tamil Tigers!
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Gee and I thought the billions in profits from petrochemicals funded terrorism, but how wrong was I. Driving to the supermarket to make a public stand in aisle 6 about evil Halal Vegemite.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
Vegemite is in Aisle 2.