How should I have split up my Kingdom (Eire)?
My experience with the game so far
I've put about 30 hours into the game at this point. I have yet to "lose", instead resigning and restarting as Dublinn-1066 repeatedly to try and understand concepts better as I run into them. I own all the non-cosmetic expansions. I decided to post this because even with all the great things I've found on this subreddit and the ck2 wiki I wanted to talk very specifically about the game I'm current playing so I could hopefully lockdown and understand this part of the game mechanics more clearly.
Current situation
I'd finally managed to reunite all of Ireland under a Primogeniture succession law with 1000s of gold in my coffers. With the ruler that accomplished that feat, I handed out duchys until I only had two and I handed out a few counties to get to my demesne limit. I chose to give them to lots of kinsman and a few sons. This created a massive civil war when the ruler died and his son took over. I had many revolts but the size of my levies and my deep pockets helped me fight everyone off, but with the current calm I want to fix the situation. How to divide up my kingdom efficiently is really what eludes me at this point. After years of civil war, I'm left with a ruler who has a max Demesne of 7 and Eire has its titles distributed like this:
My Titles
- Kingdom of Eire
- Duchy of Mumu
- Duchy of Mide
- Duchy of Laigan
- County of Tir Eoghain
- County of Breifne
- County of Cill Dara
- County of Dubhlinn
- County of Laigan
- County of Osraige
- County of Tuadhmhumhain
- County of Deasmhumhain
Kinswoman's Titles
- Duchy of Connachta
- County of Connachta
Kinsman's Titles
- Duchy of Ulaidh
- County of Ulaidh
Cousin's (age 7) Titles
- County of Urmhumhain
Son's (non-heir) Titles
- County of Airgialla
Half-brother's Titles
- County of Tir Chonaill
I have a hated ruler right now with lots of armies at his fingertips so I figured now was a good time to revoke some titles, squash some more rebellions, and reorg the country.
Questions!
- How would you divide up the kingdom amongst your vassals?
- What traits are you looking to capture in your title holders?
- What traits do you severely avoid?
- What are some hyper-optimal ways to break-up Eire amongst your vassals? I was torn between handing out duchy that I'd invested in early on, like Mide, that has a smaller size vs a duchy like Ulaidh which I'd invested nothing in but seemed stronger due to landmass and overall potential holdings.
- Is it possible for me to find a happiness equilibrium as succession occurs? I'm hoping the answer is yes and it has to do with how I break up the kingdom.
- Notice how the other Duchy holders in my Kingdom also own a County? I couldn't seem to find a way to give them JUST the Duchy. Is that intended?
- By handing off the counties that should be under the duchy control of Connachta or Ulaidh I will gain favor but I want to maximize power in the King, what should I be considering?
Thanks in advance for any help/advice. It took me a long time to finally understand how to press claims and create titles. Now that I can navigate that part of the game I feel like this is the next major hurdle for me to overcome and talking through my specific example will help a lot I think.
Edit: I fail at formatting repeatedly
Posted Jan 7, 2015, 9:29 PM UTC · edited
Gonna be honest, didn't read the whole post. But one piece of advice I would offer is educate your heirs with high stewardship. I do it for almost every character because it increases your demsne limit along with some other benfits. The same goes for vassals, high stewardship is always good. Never give titles to people with the ambitious trait, because they rebel often. Search for courtiers with traits like gregarious (helps with cultural conversion/stewardship) or zealous (religious conversion) to help with keeping the realm stable and less likely to rebel. Also landing family is good, you should do that whenever you have to give up land and have unlanded family members as theyou are less likely to rebel.
Thanks, this helps. I had definitely neglected stewardship and will not be making that mistake again. I also screwed up and gave some land to ambitious family members. Oops.
I agree with what u/MasterTrojey said, only ambitious vassals are sometimes a good thing. If you left the duke of ulster as ambitious he might fight and win some territory for Scotland. However, I really don't recommend giving an ambitious duke 5 counties to start with. That usually doesn't end well. Then, when they get bigger just revoke their stuff and beat them down in a civil war.