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Axoc

Where Would I Best Be Off Playing Vanilla?

First off, I'm English first language, Spanish second language (enough to where I would be able to survive in Spain/Mexico but I would laughably struggle, this doesn't really affect me much over writing though, just voice comms). I know enough Polish to raid, group, and even occasionally talk shit in Polish as I've been on Hellground for the past year or so.

Hellground is fun and all, but I'm really getting burned out on TBC and wanting something more difficult but similar. I tried out EQ1's P1999 server and felt that was TOO difficult, so now I'm thinking about vanilla WoW. My problem is, all of the servers seem to be shit:

Vengeance - they're shilling so hard here and other sites with pre-written responses that it's disgusting and makes me not interested in playing. I tried to register there anyway but I couldn't find any faction breakdown for their population. I checked the forums and a staff member told me to go to their IRC before asking him again. Why he didn't just answer in the forum I don't know, but I went and was immediately permanently IP banned from their IRC before I was able to type a single letter. Because of this, I now want no part of Vengeance.

Emerald Dream - I keep hearing reports of a "toxic" community and if the devs are the same ones who literally sell raid gear on Feenix's other server, I want no part of it. I also want no part in Feenix's other server where you can just buy raid gear with money instead of actually being forced to play the game.

Rebirth - aside from the thousands of dollars that were stolen by the devs, I've heard that their ping averages somewhere around 800ms ever since they switched hosts. If this is true, I want no part of it.

I need someone to either explain more about ED or Rebirth, or if that's not an option, give me some other vanilla servers to play on please. Naxxramas, while not a deal breaker, is a massive plus. I'd also need it to have either English-speaking, Spanish-speaking, or Polish-speaking community. Thanks.

tl;dr - What vanilla server is actually up and running (not Kronos or Nostalrius) that is playable (no/few game breaking bugs), is populated enough to raid, and isn't Vengeance, ED, or Rebirth?

Posted Jan 13, 2015, 8:16 PM UTC

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jakesonyoutwo•

"tl;dr - What vanilla server is actually up and running (not Kronos or Nostalrius) that is playable (no/few game breaking bugs), is populated enough to raid, and isn't Vengeance, ED, or Rebirth?"

I would recommend not playing vanilla in that case.

Only others servers that have a decent pop is Valk and VG. Valk is a russian-dominant server and is slowly dying with VG. Both have a pop of 300-400 (i think VG may have less).

I've heard only bad things about Valk. Mediocre scripting, no frequent updates (tragically heard the owner of the server died), people get mad if you talk english in world chat, etc.

Haven't heard anything about VG other than it's slowly fading away like Valk.

Basically your two best choices are either ED or Vengeance. So it's either high pop, toxic community, corrupt gms, bugs that haven't been fixed for years (including starters quests lol), and no frequent content updates vs new server (including content), low'ish pop, growing community, and better scripting. Not trying to convince you to join Vengeance, but it's just from what I personally have seen and heard.

tl;dr If you don't want to join rapidly dying servers, your choice is ED vs Vengeance.

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wxcvbn1•

You nailed it, if I would have to choose something right now I say Emerald Dream. Else wait for Kronos.

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s00136569•

Honestly, I would start on Vengeance server, it has a growing pop, very fresh new server, a community that actually wants to help you out, very transparent GM's. This server will grow in popularity

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VengeanceSrv•

IP banned from IRC @Vengeance? That is something new. Sad that you are not even going to give it a try.

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AxocOP•

There is no point in giving it a try if:

  1. the site doesn't give basic information showing faction population breakdown (for example, 20 alliance players, 70 horde players) - but I was willing to look past this since the server is so new

  2. the staff was unhelpful - again, willing to pass this off as being a sign of inexperience, maybe that staff member didn't know the answer and was too embarrassed to directly tell me to ask his superior in the IRC

  3. getting instantly permanently IP banned from the IRC

You'd have to be crazy (or very desperate) to keep trying after any one of these happened, much less all three of them.

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powpowpowlll•

I don't understand your criteria.

  1. Vengeance is the only server you listed that does provide this info. It may not be explicitly stated in terms of Alliance and Horde numbers, but you can look at exactly who is on. Rebirth's website is down, Valkyrie only shows overall number of players online, and Feenix shows nothing but the server's name.

  2. I've been lurking in their IRC for days and haven't seen anyone being unhelpful. At worst, no one responds for awhile and the person leaves.

  3. How long ago was that? I did a search of my mIRC logs since last week and couldn't find a single person banned from their channel.

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AxocOP•

  1. The website wasn't properly working for me. This has since been fixed.

  2. Read the OP. If they had directed me to the IRC and answered it there, it could be argued that they were helpful. Because of the ban, IRC didn't help at all, and my question wasn't answered on the forums. I checked the rest of the forums and "see the IRC" seems to be a common response.

  3. About 30 hours ago.

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VengeanceSrv•

  1. The faction breakdown can be seen atm on Realm-status page on the homepage.(Click on the realm name)

  2. The staff is usually available for helping you out right away on IRC, forums are not monitored 24/7, the IRC is just a better choice. If the given Staff member was not able to help you, he did atleast direct you in the right direction (the IRC)

  3. This is something I hear first time, has not ever happened to any other player of ours. Problem is most likely on your end.

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AxocOP•

  1. The website wasn't properly working for me. This has since been fixed.

  2. I agree and am glad that he was able to direct me in the direction of the IRC. I am only frustrated about the ban.

  3. I will look into this. Since the website issue seems to have likely been on my end, it could be that the IRC issue was also on my end.

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X-Savior•

Hi there,

Sorry I just saw this topic and wanted to try and help you.

  1. we have not made any changes to our website it has always been working

  2. we have not banned anyone from IRC. if you were banned that is an issue between you and Rizon IRC (Nothing to do with Vengeance).

  3. yes I highly suggest players come to IRC because that is our center for helping players and community interaction. Best place to come if you need assistance right away.

  4. we are not "shilling hard". We are advertising for new players just like any other server. We are not as well known so it is an uphill battle for us to become known. Our answers are not pre-written either (I am sorry if it appears they are).

  5. you can see player breakdown of online players at any time from our realm status page. Our daily lows are down around 80 players and our peaks are 150-170 with peaks up at 190. We are NA and EU hosted but we get good latency around the world (150-230 in EU and 50-75 in NA).

We want to help you succeed with us. Our entire staff is here to help and if you need assistance we do encourage you to come visit us. If you have a strange issue on IRC you can advise us on the forums (we have never received a single complaint or even a comment with the issues you have outlined).

I hope you give us a chance to show you that your original, and outright confusing situation is not normal (or even experienced by any of our other players).

Thank You!

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AxocOP•

  1. Yeah I'm not sure what the deal is with that. Definitely an issue on my end as I thought.

  2. This is likely what happened. I'll see if I can figure out what my problem is with Rizon IRC. Thanks.

  3. Fair enough, makes sense.

  4. I've seen word-for-word the exact same posts on Reddit, Feenix forums, and the thread on /vg/ talking about how great Vengeance is. It's not being posted as "wow look at what this guy said". It's being posted completely out of the blue. Maybe there's somebody not employed by your server going around and copy+pasting almost a dozen identical messages on three websites, but since that was a lot less likely than an employee doing it, I assumed an employee was behind it.

  5. This sounds great, thanks.

Yeah ultimately I've decided I'll give it a go. The worst thing that could happen is the server dies in a month or two. Thanks to the staff of Vengeance for actually discussing this with me and giving facts, rather than just blindly insulting/stating that I'm wrong. That definitely seems to be unique among private server staff these days.

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X-Savior•

Thank you for joining our community.

As for topics around it is our players. I guess you have seen more posts then myself or our staff (and we are not "employees" just as a FYI). Employees get paid but our staff are not paid employees (nor do we need to get paid to continue our work).

We ARE a friendly server, friendly helpful staff who do care.

Thank you!

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j3rry•

You are shilling hard as fuck.

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MezzozzeM•

Only other server I can think of is

http://vanillagaming.org/

I have no idea where the server is located / quality of scripting.

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AxocOP•

Do you play on any of the three listed? If so, which, and why did you choose that over the other two? I'm trying to find just any vanilla server at this point and I'm honestly hoping to find somebody able to persuade me to give them a second chance.

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MezzozzeM•

I only played on Vengeance for a short time.

I played on Feenix Warsong for awhile, but the servers were far too laggy for me.

I chose Vengeance because the ping was great from where I live (West Coast US) and the scripting was decent from the content I did see (No broken quests ect;..)

Can't speak much for the quality of the raids / later quests.

I've never tried hellground.

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AxocOP•

What level did you reach on Vengeance? Which faction? How populated did that faction seem to be? How long did you play?

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Crackore•

Have been playing on here for last 4 weeks. Have got Horde Mage to 60. The quests scripts are the best i have seen in years. I can count a total of 8-10 broken quests Vs the 300+ quests working and completed. These broken quests are in a server bug tracker and will be addressed.
Horde seem to be active more than Alliance at moment. We have around 10+ 60s now on Horde side clearing dungeons everyday farming rep / gear.

Did Scholomance the first time last week was awesome. Here is our little photo https://www.vengeancewow.com/forum/general-emerald/rip-yolomance-horde-t338.html

Come join the fun

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MezzozzeM•

24 Warlock Alliance. Seemed like Alliance had a slight population advantage over Horde, but still pretty close to even. I played for about a week.

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X-Savior•

Why do you need a second chance?

Did you do something wrong on the first chance with other servers? (Just curious)

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ZuljinWrought•

Try Vanilla243, its a vanilla realm with TBC quality of life changes(macros, item stacks and more). Uses the 2.4.3 client and talents. Just needs more players.

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Maston19•

There is Kronos and Nostalrius. Both are not ready yet and have no launch date besides sometime 2015.

Emerald Dream is pretty buggy and pay to win the rest you can guess yourself.

Vengeance is new and basic Mangoes started in Nov2014. Updates are fast and wide. As long as they can keep it coming I see good things. In the past week lvl 60 dungeons have had fixes and people are saying good things. That also means a month ago many dungeons were not ready, it is still new, and is hard to judge something so new. 200 population or so.

The Rebirth just had a 3 month downtime due to DDOS and then an attack on hosting. It has never stolen money from its players. US I average about 200ping, hosting will get better, give it time. Population about 150 right now.

Obviously I am biased to The Rebirth. lvl 14 and counting.

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CaptainButtmad•

Actually, Maston, yeah, unfortunately the cash for the server did get palmed. It wasn't Muggle, it was the other server owner that did it, and so she had to cough up the cash for the new hosting out of her pocket. A couple of ex-GMs came up and mentioned it on the official subreddit, and asked for her to just come forward and discuss it with the community but every time someone brings it up the post gets deleted instantly. I've always loved Rebirth (dwarven masterrace), but they seriously need to release a statement on what happened due to the fact everyone is pegging it on Muggle.

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AxocOP•

I rolled an Alliance lock on Vengeance, and got disconnected 4 times on my way to level 2. I hit level 2, and I was immediately disconnected. I then opened up the IRC again, but this time I had an error message from Rizon. I clicked through it and dealt with the problem with my IP address, then re-opened the Vengeance IRC. At this point, I received this error message:

[22:02] -irc.rizon.io- *** Couldn't look up your hostname (cached)

[22:02] -irc.rizon.io- *** Checking Ident

[22:02] -irc.rizon.io- *** No Ident response

[22:02] -irc.rizon.io- *** CGI:IRC Host spoofing active

I Googled around and other people have seen this happen in other IRC channels. They said that this is usually a problem between the user and the owner of the channel, not the user and Rizon. Just to make sure, I re-opened my panel with Rizon that showed all of my offences, and my one and only offence is labeled as "listing not active", meaning it has been removed.

I'm posting a link to the Rizon offences panel with anything remotely identifying blacked out, but it still shows that the listing is not active:

http://i.imgur.com/aEJUFDa.png

Since it seems that the attention that the staff is giving goes from:

Forum < Reddit < IRC

and I can't access IRC, I'm posting this here and hoping that a staff member will know how to help me out.

Edit: I'm going to sleep now but I'll try re-rolling as Horde tomorrow. Hopefully it was just an issue with the zone and not the entire game.

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X-Savior•

Well let's see if we can figure this out.

We make our rounds to all places so there is no "Flow"

Now what country are you connectiong from? How are you connecting (ISP?)

You are the only user who has had any issues. The fact you are disconnecting from both irc and the realm says you have some issues (possible ISP issues) on your end.

If you like I can continue helping u on forums if you prefer. Easier then here.

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X-Savior•

I do not see a single topic asking for your help in the forum.... If you open one we can trouble shoot with you. I will be watching forum for you.

Also how are you connecting to IRC? Webclient link or an actual irc client?

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X-Savior•

Are you using a VPN or proxy?

IRC servers can not resolve you, your ip or host. However you are connecting to your internet is either highly controlled (seen this on public wifi) or in a company.

Your issues are with your ISP and you. Now if your connecting is lagging out and you are disconnecting from the realm.... Again an ISP issue. large lag affects all players so if a person lags too much they get disconnected.

So again I ask what country are you connecting from and what is your account name?

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X-Savior•

Ok well if you have gone to sleep hopefully we can catch you later.

I noticed your irc says: irc.rizon.io????

The server is:

IRC.RIZON.NET

ANyways I suspect 2 things.

  1. either wrong irc server or you are using VPN or Proxy causing IRC problems.

  2. you are lagging out until you DC again an ISP / VPN / Proxy issue.

What country are you from and what kind of quality is your ISP or the way you are connecting?

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kernum•

Try http://kronicwow.servegame.com

Its a BRAND new server, now its does run on 3.3.5a. BUT the intentions behind this are to allow for easy release of each expansion. Right now BC and WotLK are locked. There are NO donations of ANY kind. You CANNOT buy items. This server is trying to be as blizzlike as possible. The ONLY thing not blizzlike is the x3 xp. The reason for this is the server is VERY well scripted in terms of dungeon and raid encounters, starting with Vanilla, and running right up to BC and WotLK when they are unlocked. We want our players to experience a fun, blizzlike realm without having to grind and grind to get levels. We feel 3x will help to grow the community quicker. As the community grows we will toy with the idea of lower the xp rate to 2x. But 1x is just a bit too low for most people. Come and check us out! We thrive on recreating the blizzard experience. 1 expansion at a time. You will only ever have to use 3.3.5a client, never have to download anything else.

We are NA based (Canada to be exact)

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Cyndikate•

I've played on Emerald Dream and the server isn't that bad. I'll choose a large social community over any server any day.

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