Hello! I just played my first game as Naga Siren (Random Draft) and want to know as someone who doesn't know how to micro is 550 GPM (+20ish min radiance) good?
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1171794040
here is the game if someone is interessted. I thought i would play support naga but mid was the only lane left open so i went mid (just in case someone watches the replay and please don't i know i'm bad ;_;)
Posted Jan 18, 2015, 12:37 PM UTC
I play a lot of naga on the middle lane, have ~70 matches with her and 75% winrate.
Your build is OK. I always go circlet + pooled tangos -> bottle -> boots -> aquila -> quelling blade -> radi -> BoTs and then it is all situational. you can get a diffu before manta if your enemies have heroes such as warlock, whose golems get instakilled by it's active. However, the preffered choice is manta as it boosts your farm incredibly if constantly spammed. If you are out of mana when u get it go in base to heal up as you need to use it constantly for it to pay off. After manta you can get heart if your illusions are killed by spells or butterfly if righclicked down, but you still need to get both. You can finish it all with diffusal if you haven't purchased it yet.
The skillbuild mid is slightly situational. The first point can be put in:
A. Mirror Image If the enemy has strong harrass with righclicks/single target abilities i.e viper, Skywrath mage, Huskar.
B. Riptide The enemy clears your illusions fast with his AoE skills and/or you want a lasthit advantage early i. e. Shadow Fiend, Necrophos.
C. Net You have First blood potential
If the enemy doesn't have strong AoE max illus before riptide, otherwise max riptide first. Again net can be put if you have people ganking for you and you need an extra disable. You should NOT gank as naga unless the enemy is diving your towers and you can TP and score some ez kills. Get ulti at the standard 6, 11 and 16.
When going naga mid you must get radiance in 99% of the time. The only specific time I can think of when you shouldn't get radi is when u have a carry who already requires a lot of farm and has got his farming item (i.e. am battlefury) and your team is owning hard (in which case you can get drums -> diffu and just come online earlier), but even then u can get radi just to secure the late game. 20ish min radiance is meh, with a few kills and good lasthitting u can even get it by 13 minutes. Try pushing the wave then farming the medium camp if you are on radiant, or farming the medium camp and sending illus to last hit on the lane. Still don't let that discourage you, I remember meracle saying that the radi timing doesn't matter that much (but of course a 40 min radiance is terrible).
Once you get radiance the real fun begins. Farm up fast BoTs and yasha by clearing a jungle camp per illusion and farming the rest of the jungle or a lane with your hero. once you get these items start split pushing. Try to get a T2 tower on a sidelane and then use each of your illus to cut the creepwaves at XX:30 and XX:00 when the creeps spawn (spawn your illus about 10-15 seconds before that time depending on how far your hero is). while your illus kill the enemy creeps and make them very sad you can farm the jungle, prefferably the enemy jungle as you deny them farm that way and your team can safely farm your jungle (that is why taking the T2 on the enemy safelane is better than on the offlane). keep doing that until you are farmed enoguh to send your illus to take down T3s and rax and make space for your team to rosh. if you get ganked just song and tp to another lane or in base if you need to heal up. YOur team gets aegis, you push as 5 and BOOm you just won the game.
Sorry for the bad English/typos.
I understood you perfectly :)
Thank you!
20 minutes is good in a pub, if they haven't taken down all your towers or their team is bad at going high ground/clearing illusions. Don't max net, put points in stats after you've maxed Mirror Image and Riptide.
Why shouldn't i max/put more then 1 point into net?
You just need 1 point for the utility, you're not supporting and want to buff up your illusions (and yourself) with the stats, same reason why most Gyros don't level up rocket past level 1.
Thanks
This is certainly no longer true about gyros rocket, we've seen many pros actually max it first this last patch/2.
Taking net depends on your greed/fighting. If you're going to ignore your team all day, only farm and splitpush. Don't bother with net. Maybe a value point if you feel it's needed. If you're going to do a mixture of splitpush and fighting, take all 4 points in net. It goes through BKB and prevents blink, it's a huge anti-carry stun and certainly wins fights. Naga has great team fight potential and that shouldn't be ignored.
If you're going greedy, you go 4-0-4-0 first, else 4-1-4-3 and maxing stats is pretty common. And you're going to ignore you team at least until you have Manta (and probably a 3rd item, be it Heart or Diffusal), else Naga is pretty garbage in fights just with Radiance.
4 points in net is not really needed unless it's on fringe cases where you need the lock down to last, else, 1 point is enough for stop channels and stop a target.
So the thing is that higher level players don't focus on item timings and make sure to adapt to the situation at hand. A twenty minute radiance us a bit on the slower side so you might have transitioned into a different, more short term effective build at that point.
20 min radiance is kinda late honestly. If you're just starting out on her like you said it's definitely not as bad as it could be, but you'd optimally have it by ~17 minutes iirc.
Thank you, Naga isn't my comfortzone to be honest. I can get a 12-15min battlefury on AM (In this game it would have been a 12 min because Luna was 1 min late and was just passivly pushing)
One thing to note is that after you get your Radiance the first thing you should do is send your individual illusions to one camp each while you stay in lane. Then Riptide so that you're farming essentially four times as much as all your illusions will use Riptide as well.
Never did it, i knew i had to but i never did it sadly. i was more concerned about pushing out lanes but that could have done one illusion