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Dusce

Help with Micro Heros

Does anybody have a page/advice for me how to learn micro heros?

I'd prefer advice about micro for Brew, Visage, Illusion Based heros while i know Meepo is a great hero to learn micro on I'd prefer learning it on Visage (Adds one more layer for my "Learn Support before carry" Project)

Thanks in advance :D

Posted Jan 18, 2015, 3:23 PM UTC

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teamtebow•

For illusion heroes, I usually have control group 1 on the real dood, control group 2 on all the illusions, and control group 3 on the real dood and all the illusions. If i'm someone like naga, il split the illusions manually, and sometimes il pair the real naga with an illusion if i'm scured of gankers.

Brew is kinda easy. I usually just have all the spirits selected and use tab to cycle through their abilities.

Visage I do a similar thing as the illusion heroes. one group for visage, one for birds, another for all. To use both birds, il hit tab.

I think theres a setting that allows you to double tab a control group to focus camera on it, which is important for me. Pretty sure its default.

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DusceOPNeeds someone a medic?•

Thank you. I'll look up the setting! :)

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MimC_06My legs! I can't feel my legs!•

My suggestion to you is to make sure you maximize the use of your control groups in a way that is confortable for you. On naga, I perfer using 1 for my hero, 2 for illusion 1, 3 for illusion 2 and 4 for illusion 3 as well as f2 and f3 for select all other units and select all units.

However, I suggest starting in bot games with only hero, select all other and all units with which ever hero you choose you focus on then working your way out from there, eventually it will become normal and natural.

Good luck!

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THEliryc24Meepo•

Does dota save your control groups on illusions now? The last time I played naga i had to rebidn them everytime I summon them. Thats why i used cloning

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MimC_06My legs! I can't feel my legs!•

Not 100% sure, but I think it does now. Haven't played naga in a while for that reason.

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kcmyk•

I wouldnt sugest Visage. I can play Naga and Brew, I can do some shit with Meepo, Chen and Enchantress but I'm terrible with Visage. For some reason, I think that's the hardest hero to play, maybe because the birds are worth a lot and you have to be careful with them plus make them useful during fights and at the same time keep your hero safe.

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DusceOPNeeds someone a medic?•

Thats why i want to learn Visage. If you make those birds usefull in a fight and keep them in check all the time while also controling your hero i should be good to go for every other micro hero

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kcmyk•

If you want to start by the hardest hero, go ahead. Problem is that birds are worth a lot of gold and are easy to kill, so losing them often can cost you the game.

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DusceOPNeeds someone a medic?•

I know thats why i asked if someone knows a side where i can find advice/has advice

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kcmyk•

Mine was "start with the other heroes".

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Bobmuffins•

I kinda like micro heroes. A lot. More than half my games are with Visage and Meepo.

For both of them, I use 3 control groups. One for my main hero, one for all clones/birds, one for everyone.

Visage is really... very overstated in how hard he is to use in combat. The second you get into a team fight, Soul Assumption will be at max charges. You can forget about that. Just use Grave Chill on cooldown on their main autoattack carries. From there, it's entirely bird control, which is just rudimentary stun-stacking. Fly them over your target, W->tab->wait 2 seconds->W->tab->wait 2 seconds->W. Fairly simple. After a full stun chain combo, Soul Assumption will be back off cooldown, and your first bird will be waking up again. Birds will have max stacks after sleeping, so you can get absurd burst at that point.

So what about while outside of teamfights?

Keep your birds in the trees. If your enemies get a chance to kill them (and they aren't bad), they will, which will render you basically useless until the cooldown on birds is up again. The cooldown is worse than giving them the gold, it really is. Just leave them in the trees, then when you get a gank chance, fly them out of the trees and stuncombo while bursting them down. Nice and simple.

If you wanna be extra cool, try splitpushing as Visage. It's good practice, too. You don't do the pushing with the birds, rather, you let the creeps push. Use the birds to stun the creeps while your creeps push the lane, and use Visage to push a different lane at the same time. Due to creep waves spawning every 30 seconds, and bird stun having a 26 second cooldown, it's perfect timing. Just go into an empty lobby with cheats, set yourself to level 6, and push both bottom and top at the same time. Don't let creeps kill your birds, don't let creeps attack Visage.

If you have a Drow in your game, pick Visage basically every time (unless they have a Medusa or Ember or anyone else who counters clone/illusion heroes), since her aura effects your birds- and lets you deal ABSURD damage.

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DusceOPNeeds someone a medic?•

thank you

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VerySharpCupWeaver•

I've recently started giving Visage a go.

Still not having perfect games with him. I think the thing that makes him so difficult to use is the amount of stuff going in your head during a fight. The amount of skills to use. Items to use. Looking after your familiars, knowing when to attack with them and when to stomp. What I normally do is let someone else initiate, then select a squishy target for my familiars to attack and then medallion them and chill the carry to reduce their damage potential. When my nuke comes up I will use that and then micro my familiars to stomp. ('Select all other units' > 1 > Tab > 1) Then I will press select all other units again and then give them an attack order for when they come out of their sleep. From this point it's mainly about making sure you use all of your skills/items when they come off cooldown.

If you want, after the first familiar stomps you can then resummon them mid fight and then attack/chainstomp with them again.

With the microing though, the only hotkeys I need are 'Visage', 'Familiars', 'Visage and Familiars' and 'Tab' to tab through units. It's hard to keep track of them since there's so much you need to do in a fight, Just try to pay as much attention as you can to them when you know they aren't midstomp. That's the best advice I can give.

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DusceOPNeeds someone a medic?•

Thank you very much.

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