Ukraine crisis: Hollande and Merkel to make new proposals for peace as nation could 'plunge into total war'
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independent.co.ukPosted Feb 5, 2015, 11:10 AM UTC
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independent.co.ukOk, I know this is going to sound one dimensional, but hear me out. Eastern Ukraine is not a piece of land that can be bartered away by the West, like when Chamberlain signed over the Sudetenland to Hitler.
Now i'm NOT comparing Putin to Hitler! But I am comparing the West's (in my opinion) weak leadership to Chamberlain's weak leadership. I'm just saying that Merkel, Hollande, and Obama can not negotiate away something they don't own.
Ukraine should not be bulldozed or pressured into a shitty agreement. If Putin balks, or offers a shady deal which he most likely will the West is going to have to suck it up and grow a spine.
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I'm just saying that Merkel, Hollande, and Obama can not negotiate away something they don't own.
If their diplomatic intervention is no longer wanted, just say the word. I am sure you can deal with the Russians just fine.
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Well, it's the only alternative to an escalation. So it's a good idea to try it first.
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I agree diplomacy is a great idea. As long as they aren't having a fire sale of Ukraine solely because of political expediency or (what appears to me) to be weak foreign policy.
Edit: fire sale damn autocorrect
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I think diplomacy should always be the preferred way but you have to be consequent. Western leaders should have given putin a clear and dated ultimatum months ago.
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My prediction of the peace deal : removal of russian sanctions after period of few weeks. Peacekeepers deployed but must majority be russian. Current gains by rebels recognized as well as a ukraine pullout from the Deb pocket. Recognition of the Crimea annexation. In return Ukraine gets to survive and the west can look like they actually did something. Let's face it. Russia holds all the cards. Western leadership doesn't have the balls to make threats. They want peace at all costs. So this will be a bitter peace.
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Translation "EU frantically try's to sue for peace before America brings the Freedom."
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Hollande: "Western nations were confronted with two options, he said, to arm the Ukrainians to help them confront the “separatists armed by Moscow“ or to make a final attempt at diplomacy and negotiations."
So is this a final attempt in diplomacy or its arms delivery time?
That is surprisingly candid. I suppose they will use the threat of arming Ukraine as leverage in the negotiations with Putin.
Not actually such a wise leverage, as Russian administration has plenty of conserved equipment laying all over the country, and quite a few toys to try out on a real battlefield. I may add that they have no sympathy for the civilians of Donbass either, so prolonging a war is no issue for them, and all suffering of the population, killed troops will be "the west's fault" in the rhetoric of Kremlin.
Only the Russians believe that bullshit, my friend. If Putin escalates, a lot of Russians will be leaving Ukraine in body bags. If Putin escalates, so will the west.
Putin's Ukrainian vacation is over after the weekend.
You honestly think Putin cares?
Escalation is the last thing we want. If we supply weapons, then the russians will double the presence in Donbass. If we double the assistance to UA, then Russia is on the brink of an official intervention in Ukraine. Then what step will NATO take? Direct confrontation?
Doubtful, if anything, this will further escalate the war.
Sounds like it.
It's the get on our knees and slurp slurp "peace in our time" last ditch appeasement time.
Thats stronger diplomatic language than I ever saw coming at this point. Has their patience ran out completely? This is very very hard words, when you translate them from diplo-speak. Im amazed at this coming from Hollande to be honest. Something big is in the works.