How many got debt along with the girl?
Talking with my banker in January, friends etc. Almost all had the same story. Guy was doing well, nothing extravagent, but enough to be happy. Decent nest egg building etc.
Not one single girl (only about 20 from friends and bankers client examples) entered a LTR without debt. School, parting, or general mismanagement.
The guys I hang with are mostly on the ball, and they seemed to have turned it around since sticking for the long haul, but we are all generally worse off than we would have been if single (financially)
Just would like to see if there are some shared experiences, or people with wives that have their shit together in the bank...
For me, her parents were the worst examples of financial intellegence. Used to flip houses in canada for a few years, get a few hundred grand, then go party in mexico for 5 years, blowing it all in a long party. Then repeat. Then they got old, and it got harder and harder to bounce back, and now they are like a lot of older baby boomers I meet, basically stuck financially in CPP, living frugally. I see it happening to my parents as well.
Posted Feb 9, 2015, 6:44 PM UTC
I'm ashamed to admit I'm in the opposite boat. My wife has about $5k in student loans because she worked her ass off. I have over $30k because I didn't work my ass off (and I got a full-tuition scholarship, so I really should have no debt). Her dad taught her the value of a penny, and if I were to delegate our finances to her she could handle as good or better than I am. I haven't done that because I need to get better at it, and I want to be in control of my family's finances. So yeah... Financially I'm more of a burden than she is. That's going to change soon: we're both starting home businesses in the next few months so we can get out of the hole. Once I get rid of my school debt I know my SMV will jump up.
This is perfect, why? Because you didnt just hand it over because she's more capable, you are using the challenge to grow. She's your help, you can learn from her. Guys should prick this crap up, this doesn't mean don't ever delegate when she is better, but her being better isn't an excuse for you to be lazy.
I was just thinking about persuing comparative advantage, but I'm always too much of a control freak with money to go that route personally
Exactly. Its taken alot of pain to get to this point. And I've made terrible decisions, many of them coming from a BP desire to please her and buy her stuff. One of the hardest things for me is saying "we can't afford that" and not feeling guilty. :P
Thats a good story. Nice to see it's just a confirmation bias on my part. depending on how more stories here go
I mean except the part where you are a lazy spendthrift :)
Yeah. There's so many things I regret about undergrad (oneitis, student loans, didn't party hard OR make career moves: waste of time and money). I despise the old me.
The original plan was only for her business (personal training, pays $50/hr), but while we're waiting around for the backyard gym to be finished (I'm doing it all myself), we're struggling paycheck to paycheck because I'm too scared to teach music lessons (also pays $50/hr).
The turning point was about a week ago. I was sick and tired be being short on money. We had to put the food for my daughter's birthday party on a credit card. I told myself that I'm the only one responsible for providing for my family and pulling us out of debt and that I shouldn't be relying on her business. I was even getting push back from her: where before she was excited to train (it was her idea originally), she's been getting more resentful lately that she's being made responsible to keep us afloat. So I'm in the process of contracting with a charter school to get music students.
Time to own my shit.
good luck man. I wish my story was like this. Unfortunately, just debt free, couple degrees on account of my service. she came in with 27k in car, and pre relationship cash.
Now we are paycheck to paycheck adjusting to our 4:1 leveraged mortgage (as in 4x annual salary, should be 2-3) I miss the days of drunkenly booking a vacation and not blinking.
The resentment thing sucks though, every time I've ever shown vulnerability, it's the reaction I get too... So long as I can look myself in the mirror, and know it's temporary, I don't mind though.
Odd how you're scared to teach. I've been an instructor at fleet school... it's one of the few rewarding parts of being in the military I've experienced... I can only immagine the same with music. One of the few jobs out there you can still point at work at the end of the day with a sense of accomplishment.
I think it's undervalued, that final product, in helping with your esteem
I haven't heard of that mortgage ratio. I'll have to run some numbers... We got a great deal on our house though, so I think we're good there. Its just the student loans that equal my annual income that's killing us right now...
This is one of the hardest lessons I've hard to learn, knowing that no matter how much they say "I want us to be a teeeeeeeeeammmmm", I really just need to man up and take care of my family alone. Any extra income she generates (or any extra value she adds to the family in general) will be factored in, but not relied upon.
My fear of teaching comes from a bad teaching experience when I was in high school. Kids flaked on my studio's recitals, it hit my self esteem hard. Probably wasn't even about me, but I was worse than a self-absorbed pussy back then. I mentally know better, and now the push to provide for my family has forced me to psych myself up and go for it. I know that once I get into it I'll experience those rewards you're talking about. Just need to take the plunge.