For anyone worrying that the new liberty desire system could make it hard to take vassals... Don't.
Posted Feb 27, 2015, 5:08 AM UTC
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Using the current state of your game at 1461 isn't a good example. Come back once France has started to surpass you or your Dip Rep and tech goes down further.
It isn't 'the end of vassal strategy' as some are painting it, for sure. I am glad they decided to make it less brain dead and more risky, since having a 100bt+ vassal is going to be annoying to control.
This does alter some WC, at least for myself. Before it was super easy to just vassal feed without having to worry at all about rebellion.
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dip rep -3 (not sure it is even possible to get lower than this unless really unlucky)
15k troops in spain to 45k in france.
58% liberty desire. Still no problem..
Also Personal unions don't get the liberty desire from the strength of other vassals.
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Goodbye to vassal feeding strategies where I stayed at Bird 3 until 1600...
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"bird 3" lol :)
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Can this be the new method of recording tech? Well before I took Sword 5 I wanted to get Paper 4 for the Ideas.
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Because it is under PU.
I heard vassals get +50% LD if their base tax exceeds 100.
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Possible. Certainly the PU is missing some things that a vassal would have such as +liberty desire from the strength of all the vassals combined.
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Yeah he's right. I don't know why PU's are different, but vassals got a very nasty BT-based bonus to their liberty desire. They may be ten times smaller than you but as soon as they reach a certain threshold (100 BT) they get +50% LD and there is pretty much nothing you can do about that.
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Is this save a candidate for WC now? :P
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The only reason France's liberty is so low is because they actually like you if they didn't we would have a whole different story
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Also it's a PU and not a regular vassalage.
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Sorry for late reply. It would be the case that no matter how much France liked you before this patch if it was below 200 they would be hostile.
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I had problems with a Brandenberg game post patch. I vassalized a handful of German states, and they all hit 100% liberty which meant they did nothing for me. Didn't rebel until I annexed them though.
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It's because France is a PU. Vassals really are a different thing now, and I LOVE that. My first custom nation game I carved a chunk of Morocco for my country, then Morocco attacked Tlemcen to my East, after they wiped their army I DOW Tlemcen and vassalized them (them being bigger than me). Boom! 100% liberty desire, ouch. Then I vassalized Granada and they started supporting each other's independences (and then Morocco and the Ottomans supported them too). I cracked my knuckles and smiled... EU4 is a brand new game now! One I like better than the old one.
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I don't know, creating vassal swarms used to be much easier. Now the moment I go 4 over my relationship limit everyone starts protesting.
Never tried going so far over the limit yet. You may just have to keep 4 at a time and cycle annexing them.
You should try it. Quite a bit of fun.
In this Burgundy > Netherlands game I was never coalitioned by anyone but Austria (My rival) because I never incurred any AE. Just released every single nation in France and vassalized them.
This allowed me to double my territory gain since I could afford to take over England without any threat from coalitions.
It's fun sure, but it's also very luck dependant. If you get a crappy dip king you can't really expand any more because you dip points for peace deals will be extremely slow. Annexing vassals is a very long process now so you can't really "speed annex" them when your king gets old.
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