I don't understand why there's this big sentiment around BNI that welping an entire fleet is a good thing. Can someone explain it to me?
The only thing I take from welping a fleet in say, a stratop, is the massive hit to our srp fund, which is not fun
Posted Feb 27, 2015, 7:45 PM UTC
That "idea" is a response to the bitter tryhard alliances who would rather dock up than chance losing a ship. While docking up is probably "better" in terms of strategic gameplay, in a game like Eve where you have to search out content, "better" strategic gameplay is often counter to having fun. If you're losing ships, the enemy is having fun, and they're galvanized. Killing things makes people feel better about the fleet, and they're more likely to join up/log in, and they're stronger.
In order to survive in a world where everyone else has more money and bigger ships, BRAVE needed to make it clear to it's members that it's OK to lose ships, and that having fun is more important. It's brilliant because we no longer have to follow the proscribed path to success. We didn't have to worry about how our last fleet went because we don't count ISK as our measure of success.
That being said, I think we're now at a point where we should recognize what fleets are OK to welp and what aren't. We don't want to welp our HAC or T3 fleets at all, but if a newbro wants to try out FCing, welping a T1 frig fleet is fine as long as things were learned, the FC took appropriate care for his bros ships, and the fleet went out to at least try to do something.
I personally do not like losing so welping an entire fleet to me would hurt, but if everyone is having fun and it doesn't cost too much, I think it's a good investment to keep people engaged and to keep people moving forward.
FWIW
This is the answer I was looking for, thank you.
It is imho more, that you can still laugh after the whelp in the idea of fun per hour, than mourning the ISK (per hour) loss.
This so much, and also that fun comes from the fight, not necessarily the winning.
Have you been on a BAD IDEA fleet? They're the best fleets!
I don't think we look at it as a good thing, just not a bad thing...if that makes sense.
Here's my view:
I'd rather be in a fleet that whelps and has content, than a fleet that sits on its ass docked and does nothing.
Ships can be replaced. Boredom though, leads to people at best, finding other corps, or at worst, quitting EVE altogether.
So, yea, I'd rather die in a ball of fire than sit on my ass.
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I'm loosing ships every strat op and have yet to apply for SRP. I'll leave the funds to those who really need them.
Look we're HERO man, we don't take just the fights we know we're gonna win. That's what PL does.
We don't have to win every fight to become stronger. We just have to learn and grow every fight to become stronger. We've been welping upwards our whole year in Catch. Our FCs are better, are members got more SP and are flying better ships.
Eve helps those who whelp themselves.
You're very right. Also, it's fun.
Can agree. Was in a harpy fleet this morning in a merlin (I can't fly a Harpy yet but I can hit the same range but with lesser deeps) and we jumped into a bomber fleet at 0. Was hilarious and entertaining to be blown up and podded in the same tick.
This isn't fair. PL has lost fights to us
fair point. It's a pretty common "Elite PVP" attitude though.