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Frank Cho drama round 4: tensions are high in r/comicbooks when Cho donates $1000 to a domestic violence charity.

For those of you who haven't been following this drama rounds 1&2 can be found here while round 3 is here and here

"'others opinion' were fucking retarded and deserved no respect whatsoever."

Outrage occurs when someone asks where the outrage was.

One user tries to explain why she feels women are poorly represented in comicbooks.

"Get wrecked SJWs, lol" calm and reasoned discussion follows

If I drew a racist cartoon and then sold it and donated the money to the NAACP, would that mean it was cool for me to draw a racist cartoon?

Posted Apr 19, 2015, 7:13 PM UTC

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DaniAlexander•

I rarely know about comics other than Tom of Finland, but, lately, I know all about a lot of comic book characters--all women, oddly.

This week I learned: Spider-Gwen, Thor-femme, Batwoman was a lesbian (Or is a lesbian) and now I read an article following the yellow brick links that said the joker murdered batgirl (should I spoiler notice that?) and that she's some important person to commissioner gordon.

Most importantly, I've learned women are not allowed to complain about how they're represented in comic books.

Also, that I am twisted because I liked that batgirl/joker cover. It was freaky.

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that_black_guy•

Batwoman was a lesbian (Or is a lesbian)

Is

joker murdered batgirl (should I spoiler notice that?)

He didn't murder her, he stripped her down and took pictures of her to torture her. You shouldn't spoiler notice it, it's a 30 year old story.

she's some important person to commissioner gordon.

Adopted daughter/niece

Also, that I am twisted because I liked that batgirl/joker cover. It was freaky.

It was a good cover, but I felt it didn't fit the efforts DC Comics was taking by making the Batgirl comic more lighthearted and female friendly.

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Drando_HS/r/canada gives me PTSD•

he stripped her down and took pictures of her to torture her.

The fuck?

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dahahawgyFlytape sockpuppet•

Well, more accurately, it was to torture Gordon by showing him the pictures. Shooting Barbara through the spine first didn't help matters.

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that_black_guy•

The Killing Joke, the story this happened in, was written by Alan Moore (Watchmen, V for Vendetta) in 1988. The comic book industry wasn't as vast as it is now, so without variety of outlets, darker elements invaded the superhero comics.

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Che_Gueporna•

You think that's odd. Wait til you hear about Sue Dibny and Dr. Light. Or the refrigerator girlfriend incident.

Wow, DC really went to some dark places.

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DaniAlexander•

Thanks =D TIL a lot.

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mrsamsa•

Also, that I am twisted because I liked that batgirl/joker cover. It was freaky.

To be fair I think the majority of people did.

The main suggestion was just that a story about torture, sexual abuse and a permanent crippling injury maybe wasn't appropriate for what is effectively a children's comic. The artist agreed and pulled it.

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DaniAlexander•

maybe wasn't appropriate for what is effectively a children's comic.

Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining!

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mrsamsa•

No problem :)

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LieBaronGhostwriter for bonjouramigos :S•

Tom of Finland is a very specific comic to know about :p

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DaniAlexander•

http://i.imgur.com/Cp6Ah2G.gif

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Doomsayer189•

Personally, I think the Batgirl cover would've been really cool if it was a throwback to an earlier time. If Barbara was in her wheelchair it would've been interesting and creepy, but using the up to date version of the character ruined it.

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DaniAlexander•

and TIL Batgirl was in a wheelchair.

Since you seem to know about these comics:

Is Batwoman = Batgirl but older?

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Zenning2•

Batgirl wasn't ever in a Wheel Chair. That was Oracle. Barbara Gordan just happened to be both.

And no Batwoman is a completely different woman, and hero.

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DaniAlexander•

I've never heard of Oracle. This is all pretty interesting. I'll put these on my tbr. (The Walking Dead must come first, though, you understand =D)

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milleribsenI prefer my popcorn to organic and free range. •

Love me some Tom of Finland.

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browses_on_the_bus•

Frank Cho is the gift that keeps on giving if you can remove yourself from getting worked up on either side and just kick back to enjoy how mad everyone gets.

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Caelrie•

This one was fake drama ginned up by Cho. He posts the drawings, nearly everyone who was supposed to be offended goes "meh, they suck but they're on his personal blog, so who cares", and Cho's vocal fans start hooting and hollering about having "successfully outraged the SJWs".

Meanwhile, Cho, who hasn't had any high-profile work for a couple years now, gets a bump in his PR, which was the entire point of redrawing a year-old cover in the first place.

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cruelandusualbrogressive brohemian brownshirt•

I dunno, it got some big name comics dude all puffed up about it.

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Slapfest9000•

CA's been stereotyped as the Kotaku of comic books for a while, so it's kind of easy to bait.

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Doomsayer189•

Robbi Rodriguez isn't exactly a "big name" in comics. Much bigger names, e.g. Rob Liefeld, have actually come to Cho's defense.

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browses_on_the_bus•

Rodriguez being the artist for Spider Gwen, one of the characters used by Cho, would be the reason for his relevance here.

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Caelrie•

Yah, 1 guy on the internet got outraged. Woo.

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iTARIS•

As well as The Mary Sue, one of the bigger feminist/nerd publications.

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UnwindOPRace Surrealist•

I don't even know if there's two sides to this. Every thread is a bunch of angry gamergate types and a few people at the bottom going huh who cares.

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browses_on_the_bus•

You're literally the submitter here and I'm going to assume you've been following this drama. I don't know how you can honestly say that this is a "gamergate" topic and dismiss that there is even another side worked up.

It's apparent in the thread you linked. Are you posting this because you also find it enjoyable to watch two sides brawl again and again or are you posting it so you can point and laugh at gamergaters with like minded individuals? For starters this has shit all to do with GG, it's a debate over sexism in comics.

Can't we just enjoy the drama for what it Is without trying to turn this into another SRD circle jerk?

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dahahawgyFlytape sockpuppet•

I don't know OP's intentions, as it were, but there really is a lot more "evil SJW" rabble than people saying they're personally offended, at least on that sub, and that goes all the way back to the Batgirl cover.

Haven't cross-referenced myself or anything, but apparently some of the people stirring up drama over there are KiA posters, which would make sense since it seems like some of the "anti-SJWs" in these discussions don't know too much about the source material at all.

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browses_on_the_bus•

Even in the linked thread we see people ranting against SJWs and being downvoted or called out by the community and mods. I'm not going to agree with the majority in r/comicbooks but I find it so silly to take their debates and bring them back here for a circle jerk.

I understand SRD enjoys tagging users or spelunking through their post history on the off chance they've said something disagreeable but it's a damn big website. Can we not just look at what someone says and enjoy it for that? Every time anything gender related pops up everyone gets out their pushtacks and string to start linking the antiSJW/GGer crowd while mocking them for their weird cabal conspiracies.

There is just such a lack of self reflection going on here. We got a great thread surrounding one artist that is basically trolling people and everyone is allowed to agree or disagree with it. Rather than take it for what it is we're trying to shoehorn in a political stance or score some digs at our imaginary enemies.

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SS_Downboat•

Oh, there are two of these. r/comicbooks has become rather popular here lately.

I agree with you ultimately. The circlejerk on this sub has been ridiculous. Cho donating the money to charity finally feels like he stopped acting like a child and owning up to his words. It doesn't make him "OMG HE'S A SAINT ALL ALONG LET'S ALL DRAW MORE SEXUALIZED WOMEN!!!" It seems like it's been brigaded from every other link being crossposted to r/KotakuInAction[1] . No wonder this sub gets ridiculed on r/subredditdrama[2] every other day. Doesn't help that some of the mods seem to just encourage this, instead of putting a lid on the mudflinging.

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observer_december•

Lol there are r/Kotakuinaction posters in the linked drama and everything.

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UnwindOPRace Surrealist•

Pretty much all these types of threads read like full on KIA brigades. Some of them probably are. It was really noticeable during the first few hours of the 3rd round where most of the posts were huh? who cares about this? and then they became the usual rage filled downvote fest.

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Caelrie•

Right now KIA is organizing brigades on anything related to the Calgary Expo.

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Nimr0D14•

Where? Link please.

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Cuddle_ApocalypseTinker, Tailor, Soldier, Shill•

I've heard about that. What is the problem they have with it?

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vespertinism•

So is this similar to The Fappening trying to donate money to a charity to prove they're not that bad, except with a PR spin to it?

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UnwindOPRace Surrealist•

Pretty similar. Cho just has bad taste instead of the whole widespread violation of personal privacy thing.

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