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Master2u

Help with distillation on for backpacking still.

I tried making a small still just like the one in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6ziS5nmGY&feature=youtu.be for the intent of trying to distill sea water. I received very dismal results. For about 2 cups of water I only distilled 1/4 of water. Since you guys are gurus on distilling I was checking to see if you had any ideas to improve my yield. The copper pipe is 1/4 inch and I am really hoping to keep the weight and bulk down on this type of item.

Posted May 22, 2015, 10:18 PM UTC

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sillycyco•

You should be getting 2 cups of water for every 2 cups you put in, if you run it dry. My guess is a leak, or you are losing vapor due to not enough cooling of the copper coil, so steam is leaking out the end of the condenser.

A better option would be to run that coil through a bucket of water, and have the line exit at the bottom. It is called a worm bucket. Something like this. You could use sea water, no problem.

To test for leaks, hold up a small mirror to all joints. A leak will fog it up.

If you really need to do air cooling, the coil might need to be longer, or run with less flame. Once you get it boiling, turn down the flame until it is just barely bubbling. The higher the heat, the larger volume of steam you will need to condense. This requires a better condenser. A worm bucket will solve that easily.

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Master2uOP•

That is very helpful, Thank You.

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gordonjames62•

In distillation you need a good condensing technique, or you will only get steam escaping and evaporating.

Glassware for condensing the steam often has a cold stream of water keeping the glass cold.

not very useful in your case except as a demonstration.

copper tubing through ice works for small amounts.

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Master2uOP•

I think that is my problem, I need to come up with a good practical way to cool down the steam. I thought that 10 feet of 1/4 copper tubing would be enough but it clearly is not. Thank you for your help!

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gordonjames62•

we did a still in high school, and used a stream to cool the tubing.

it was a little lower boiling point we were going for. (78 deg C)

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gordonjames62•

reverse osmosis with a pressure pump may be the most practical (but high cost) tool you can buy.

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Master2uOP•

That would be the most practical, I just thought it would be fun to find a light weight cheap distillation process instead. I suppose I need to put my thinking cap on again.

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gordonjames62•

these guys have a decent system

http://www.katadyn.com/caen/katadyn-products/

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Master2uOP•

Wow, that was really a great suggestion for a tweak to making my still more effective. Thanks.

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sillycyco•

I just thought it would be fun to find a light weight cheap distillation process instead.

Well, it did work. You can distill water, just not at 100% efficiency. Its just sea water, really, who cares how much you waste. If you rigged your condenser up to run the water through a pot, you could heat your water for dinner with it as well.

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Master2uOP•

That is a good way of looking at it, thank you.

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worklederp•

Use a copper worm in a bucket to cool the steam. Then distill that (already hot) cooling water, and save yourself the extra heating time.

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BarryZZZ•

Here is a completely different take on desalination, a solar still.

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Master2uOP•

I do know that method. I tried cobbling up this system and with out cooling it is not very efficent. I currently think that your suggestion is the best.

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BarryZZZ•

The simplest set up would be a 10 by 10 foot square of clear plastic, a cheap painters "drop cloth" weight under an ounce or two, stretched over a pit dug into beach sand with a reciever in the middle. No tools required.

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