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r/WeissSchwarz•
FlyingRex

Trying to get into the game.

Hello fellow redditors. I an old-time player of yugioh and in the recent years cardfight vanguard. I see weiss schwarz picking up fairly well in my locals and I decided that I'd like to try the game out.

I have a lot of questions but mainly I'd like answers to these in particular

"How do you play the game or are there any good tutorials online ?"

I have a hard time trying to grasp how the game works. It seems similar to vanguard wherein there are also grade ratios but there seems to be other different mechanics as well that makes it a unique game.

"How do I build a good deck ?"

From what I've read, a deck should contain at least 50 cards with majority being character cards, 8 climax cards, and the rest being event cards. I don't have a clue on how I would construct a deck and what ratios or colors to focus on. Should I be making a "mono" colored or mixed deck ? Should my deck focus on a particular grade or have multiple ones.

"What is the current meta for w/s in the english format ?"

Majority of the weiss community in my country plays english format so what I'd like to know is what are the best decks that are doing really well in tourneys right now ? I've heard Kantai Collection decks were doing great and I've always seen Project Diva and Love Live to be present in every tourney but I'm not sure if they're really good decks. I plan on playing competitively so suggestions would really help.

"I heard UBW and Madoka Magika Rebellion will be out in the english meta in August (I think?) , would I need cards from the previos sets of the series to make a competitive deck ?"

One of my gripes is that as a new player looking to get into an old cardgame is the fact that there are times that new cards work best with old ones and those old cards from the previous sets tends to be really expensive unless they get reprints. Would it be wise for a new player to buy these sets and search for old cards from the previous series to make a deck or it it better to pick a newly released set to start with like Kantai Collection or the upcoming Attack on Titan ?

I have a lot more to ask but for now, these are the questions that I'm looking for answers to. I'd like to thank everyone in advance for viewing this post and any comments or suggestions would be really appreciated :) .

Posted Jun 6, 2015, 4:32 PM UTC

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tonykuan•

best tutorial ever

a deck should contain 50 cards no more no less. the deck should consist of 8 climax, the other are building the deck around a gameplan you want to execute and making it as consistent as possible like you do in YGO.

High power i guess for ENG, also its starting to move towards massive finisher like JP does? the top 3 deck for eng is SAO, Kancolle, Project Diva

UBW you definitely do not need anything from the old set to make a good or even competitive deck. its just an additional option, i don't even run any old cards in my deck UBW deck even with access to it. for madoka you will need a few though

cards from old sets aren't always expensive. the price doesn't depends on rarity as much as its strength in this game. a R can be double the price of a RR as long as its better. the thing about old sets is its harder to find

EDIT: my recommendation is pick your favourite series :D, again Investment in this game is permanent. due to the mechanics of the game any deck can win as long as you control your deck better!!! the game doesn't involve as much luck when your good with the game. Deck building still matters alot though

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theSIGINT•

"How do you play the game or are there any good tutorials online ?"

Weiss is, mechanically, a more simple game and much more luck-reliant. The basic premise is: as you take damage, you level up, and as you level up, you can play more powerful cards. But the first person to hit level 4 loses the game. (this is one of my favorite things about Weiss - when you're 'losing', it makes you more powerful and enables you to make comebacks. Sometimes, its even a good strategy to deliberately take damage!) In the right sidebar of the page, there are a few "How to Play" links which will give more detailed information.

"How do I build a good deck ?"

The general ratio is, 16 Level 0s, 8 Climaxes, 2~6 level 3s depending on the deck, and the rest split between levels 1 and 2 depending on your deck's strategy. Level 1 usually takes up more space, but not always the case.

EDIT: As tonykuan mentioned, Weiss is VERY random compared to Magic or Yugioh, so cards that add 'consistency' (searching from the deck or graveyard) are extremely important to making sure your deck doesn't fall flat on its face due to bad draws.

"What is the current meta for w/s in the english format ?"

The meta was very heal-oriented before Kantai hit our shores. It's recently changed to a more aggressive, gung-ho style where you try to kill them before they kill you. Good Level 3s generally have abilities that allow them to damage the opponent more effectively (Burn, punish-burn, clock shoot...). Heal decks can still be good, but have certain matchups against which they will be powerless (Kantai, some Kill la Kill decks).

"I heard UBW and Madoka Magika Rebellion will be out in the english meta in August (I think?) , would I need cards from the previos sets of the series to make a competitive deck ?"

For Fate, you won't need a full playset of Fate/Zero to make a good deck. Fate/Zero, in terms of power level, is somewhat underwhelming, while UBW is rather strong and can deal on its own. There are a small number of old singles that you should definitely grab (for example, Vimana if you're making the Rin/Archer deck)

For Madoka, the first set had a lot of staples at level 0 that you will probably need to pick up (Sayaka Looks Up to Mami, etc.). For levels 1-3 probably not so much, but don't quote me on that, I haven't analysed Rebellion in too much detail. There is a level 3 Homura that combos with a Level 3 Madoka from the old set, but the new set introduces an alternate version of the card with the same name.

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celeminus•

I just can't agree with the sentiment that weiss is so much more random than ygo or magic. If you open badly in magic or yugioh its just over, wheras in weiss a bad opening doesn't really hurt you a lot (less so in magic cause of mulligans, but when you have to mulligan twice you've basically lost anyways). You cycle through your cards a lot faster and newer sets have a lot of consistency tools. In magic you are probably seeing like a third of your deck before you are dead wheras you'll see every card in weiss multiple times per game (which is also why "tech" cards work really well in weiss imo). It really comes down to Weiss needing a different skillset compared to most other tcgs, its a lot more about resource management, zone management and probability and less about reading your opponent.

Also its more like 6-8 Level 3s and not 2-6 Most decks tend to skip over Level 2 (as in only run a very small amount of level 2 cards) and just run Level 3s that can be summoned at 2 due to the huge difference in the power of the effects between 2 and 3

As for the question with old cards, that came up a couple of times in this subreddit already just search a bit around and you should find lists of cards that you probably want to get from zero and the first madoka set

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weiyi25•

The amount of level 3s in a deck is largely dependent on who actually plays the deck honestly. My friend likes making decks with about 8 level 3s. I like making my decks with 4 of a single level 3 while some of my decks don't even have any level 3s.

Is his deck better than mine? Or is my deck better than his? Neither, we both have an equally good chance to win each other. That's kind of the nature of Weiss Schwarz.

I'd say the right amount of level 3s can range from 010. I'd have to say though, the only number of cards you should follow when deck building is that you should have 1418 level 0s.

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celeminus•

For 0 yeah 14 is definitely the low ceiling and I wouldn't go lower than that, most decks end up somewhere between 15 and 18, but some decks can get away with running more (my persona execution deck runs 22 and I actually wanna run more because your 0s do everything).

I think the only decks that can get away with not running level 3s are soulrush builds, effects like heal/burn/clockkick/ping are just too strong to pass up tbh

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weiyi25•

I disagree with Weiss Schwarz being "much more luck-reliant". Every card game has its fair share of relying on luck.

That's why you get land screwed in Magic, grade lock in Vanguard, etc.

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