So as you know many pro player buy midas. The thing is the item is fairly expensive (2050 gold) for early game and only give +30 atk spd with transmute which has a very long cd. And item like bfury & maelstrom(to mjollnir) farm faster than midas.So why should i purchase midas if i can built better farming items like bfury,mjollnir,etc.?
Posted Jun 10, 2015, 8:07 AM UTC
A Midas increases your GPM, if used whenever on cooldown, about 100. Also you get a nice boost in experience, which is quiet nice on level depend heros, without flashfarmin abilitys.
BF is a situational item, while giving you a huge farming boost, its farly expensive compared to Maelstrom or Midas. The only hero I would go for a BF nearly 100% is AM, since he farms so good with it. Maybe I would try to get it on Ember ad least 80% of the time. For PA its a nice to have, if you get it fast enough and Alchemist can get a ridciulius GPM out of it.
Marlstrom is better the first 20-30min into the game, since the cleave damage is below the damage of the bolts then, but he loses that impact in fights, when the enemys start getting more HP.
Midas is also good on heros, laking farm and need to catch up. This option is only good if you intending to take the game late.
If you do the math, you'll see that Midas is a bit expensive for the amount of gold it will get you. Don't get Midas if you need gold!
Midas is a way to boost your XPM very quickly. Get it on heroes that need fast levels (Invoker comes to mind).
Phoenix too, if you get it quick enough. Having a level 2 or 3 Supernova earlier is extremely important.
Midas is core...need that level 11 fast
Really late reply here, sorry, I've been away for a few days. What would you recommend if you are really struggling to get the gold together for a Midas? Urn is much cheaper to build and is also insanely important because you will rack up charges very quickly so would it be better to forget about the Midas and get an Urn if you just can't farm up the gold for it?
so like for spectre, void, medusa?
Spectre: get a radiance if possible below 25min should boost your farm enough.
Void: Go MoM which is a good farming item on its own, if needed Void is an OK BF carry.
Medusa: Maelstrom or Midas, I personally prefer Midas since Medusa shines even more with levels and Midas is easily attainable ad minute 8 with her.
Midas is good on void, he loves attack speed and getting fast levels also really helps him
Go MoM which is a good farming item on its own, if needed Void is an OK BF carry.
There are two ways to build Void, MoM -> Maelstrom gives a lot more mid game fighting potential and is sort of like offlane Void where by the end you want to be a hard carry but you also try to have a mid game impact.
If you're getting free farm, however, Bfury is better for playing classic hard carry Void. It's equivalent to Bfury AM but with a 13 second CD on Blink. Bfury also allows you to farm ancients and very large stacks a lot better than Maelstrom does. If the enemy is grouped close together in Chrono, Bfury is better than Maelstrom for damage, but if they're spread apart in the Chrono Maelstrom procs will be better. So Bfury is a lot better against opponents that let you free farm and also don't have proper positioning, and is generally better than Maelstrom if you're playing 4p1.
To put it short, get midas if you want to secure late game.
Other people talk about the minutes when to get midas and the trade off of it comparing to the other items, but the most simplified answer is that you get midas when you want to have a strong late game (provided that you know how to drag the game on long enough).
Personally though, I would never recommend going midas especially when you're still new to the game.
I would recommend it on maybe 2-3 situations.
I agree with your first points. The two only heroes that I think midas is viable on almost always is invoker and phoenix due to the fact that they don't need item to do much.
I don't agree with your second and third point. If you have time to farm a midas, then go a real item. If you have enough kill to get a midas, then go and just finish your agh. You're already halfway there to an agh with 2000 golds. You just need to sit around even not doing anything for like 10 - 15 minutes to finish your agh just with passive gold.
Midas on medusa is just terrible.
I don't think Midas is viable on witchdoctor. That is half your aghs. I suppose it's similar to support elder Titan where you just benefit so much more from having your fast core items than you do from levels.
For supports, I like Midas mostly on ancient apparition, wraith king and crystal maiden.
If you're a supp then you can use it on hard camps so you don't take lane farm from your carries.
Because you want to lose in the mid game, usually.
Midas gives you 2 things: XP and a consistent income of reliable gold. It's a shit farming item compared to battlefury or maelstrom or anything else, but those don't give you reliable gold and you actually have to hit creeps to get them to pay for themselves. Midas pays for itself in 20 minutes regardless of how much time you actually spend farming.
If the game is going to go long and the early game will be passive Midas is almost never a bad choice, but those situations are really rare. If you're going to be dying a lot Midas is a good choice as well. If levels will really help you that game you get Midas. If you are Arteezy you get Midas. If you want to fight early you do not get Midas. If you need a core item up ASAP you do not get Midas. Basically just think about how XP and reliable gold will help you that game compared to having an actually useful item.
It's the old patented item strat:
Aka the arteezy strat
I do tend to buy a lot of Midases. I think people hate on the item unnecessarily because of how much it delays actually useful items, but XP and reliable gold is really good in a lot of situations.
Midas gives you a ton of experience and pays for itself after around 20 minutes. So if you can get it early (under 10 minutes, preferably several minutes before that), and you think the game is going to be long or you are intentionally extending the game, it's a good option. If there's gonna be lots of early fighting or you expect the game to end in 30 minutes or less, it's a bad idea.
Just to add something: the 6, 8, 10 minute marks etc. depend on the skill of players you play with. While a 10 minute midas in unacceptable in pro games, a 15 minutes one in pubs may still work.
Good point. It's like how 20 minute radiance is a baseline in pro games but in a pub even a 30 minute Radiance will win you games because everyone's farm sucks.
This is misinformation.
10 minute midas is unacceptable on a free farming carry in pubs and competitive alike, but pro players will go for late midas a lot of the time.
A lot of mid players will go a major item before midas. An example is at the summit Sumail went for blink first on puvk before going back for a Midas at around 17 minutes.
Offlaners and supports will also get Midas between 16-22 minutes in many games because the goal of the Midas is generally to to earn exp. Phoenix and crystal maiden are common heroes that buy very late Midas.
Midas is mostly for levels and not gold, it's timing just affects how long it will take to pay off gold wise, but you never profit off of having the Midas unless you hold it for like 40 minutes. If you don't care about the payoff and are willing to pay 2050 gold for a fast level 16, then the timing barely matters for a lot of heroes.
I play quite a bit of mid and I'm a fan of Midas on dragon knight after armlet. When I go Midas on prophet it is usually after 10 minutes because I go phase + nulls first. On wraith King I sometimes go blink before midas if the game is active.
People just need to understand that MIDAS IS NOT FOR GOLD, it is for experience.