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Tankward

Fel Lord Zakuun

Hey Guys,

we downed Fel Lord Zakun today on heroic. Afterwards I was browsing how my fellow Frost Mages did on that fight.

Here is my Log: click

Here is The Top Mage's Log in my Bracket (688-690) click

I Have 2 big questions:

  1. How do I compare Talent Choices using Logs? His Icenova did around 400k less dmg than my Frost Bomb. How can I evaluate which one is better to use? And if he takes Icenova, shouldn't he also use Crystal to further increase the burst?
  2. Why do his Icicles and Pet Abilities Hit so much harder than mine? Is there something I missed about those Spells?

Thank you in advance guys. If you've got any other tipps for me while glancing over feel free to tell me aswell!

cheers

Posted Jun 29, 2015, 10:05 PM UTC

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rasmushr17/17 M 4/13 M•

Why were you frost on Zakuun? :O

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TankwardOP•

Force of habbit I guess. I am new to raiding and am not yet too familiar with arcane nor have I got the gear for it.

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rasmushr17/17 M 4/13 M•

Understandable. I would advice both you and your fellow mage to switch to arcane as soon as possible so you can get familiar with it. The switch will be painful, but necessary. You could try to go into some mythic dungeons and stuff with it to practice :)

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Mtstro36•

His pet crit 19.8% of the time while yours only crit 11.7% of the time. That's 8.1% difference in crit

Your Pet

His Pet

He also has 7471 spell power while you have 6035....

Waterbolt's damage deals 60.6% of spell power....

His waterbolts hit for 4527.42 base Your waterbolts hit for 3657.21 base

He also has ~24% more mastery than you. The text on your mastery reads: When you damage enemies with Frostbolt and Frostfire Bolt, and their multistrikes, 18.0% of the damage done is stored as an Icicle with you, for 30 sec. Also increases the damage of your Water Elemental's Waterbolt and Water Jet by 18.0%

Should be pretty obvious why his pet is doing a ton more damage than yours.

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smdaegan•

Go to his armory and look at his secondary stats. He likely has more of a particular stat than you (mastery/multi/crit) that could make his abilities hit harder. He also may have had better trinket procs+int pot usage, which you could see on the buffs tab.

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TankwardOP•

He had a little more trinket proccs than I did yes, but that one was the haste one so I don't think it should affect the pet abilities that much. He does have a lot more mastery and that's probably why his icicles do so much more damage. Thanks for the heads up. Keeping that in mind, does that mean he would've done even more damage if he had the proper stats for frost (multi>mastery)?

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dmalvano•

Does ice nova still grant 100% bonus damage for the 2 seconds if the target isnt actually frozen?

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TankwardOP•

I don't even know to be honest.

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karnarka•
  1. Looking at when the damaged happened is probably your best bet. Did a higher percentage of his damage occur in the execute phase? If so, was it by a large margin?
  2. That sounds like he just has more mastery which increases icicles and pet damage.
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TankwardOP•

I'm not sure I fully understand. How does execute phase matter to me if I'm a mage? Or do you mean relatively compared to his raid?

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karnarka•

It's more about the fight, Fel Lord only gets hard after he enrages, which is why you want more damage then as opposed to during the rest of the fight

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TankwardOP•

Ah Ok I get what you mean. So when we used heroism + second pots when he pushes into last phase? I will check that out!

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