CLG could hear the casters according to themselves...
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fragbite.sePosted Jul 2, 2015, 3:38 PM UTC
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fragbite.seno news, other pro players said the same thing several times in the past.
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Quote from Curse Xpecial, a lol pro player "Hear the crowd cheer? Time the dragon!". Dragon is a very important objective, imagine if crowd was cheering up every time someone got an awp(thats really bad analogy, I know, but you don't have anything compared to a dragon in cs go). Dragon has a respawn timer, but you can do it sneaky without enemy team knowing when it will respawn, which gives you a chance to get it again very easly. But because of the crowd, you still can do it sneaky, but the enemy team will always know the exact timer(which is important).
But that still can't compare to CLG's experience. Hearing a fucking caster speak? Really?
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A potentially better example is players lining up other players in the smoke - because spectators can see xray, sometimes they cheer when a player's crosshair is over another player through the smoke.
Fifflaren when casting at Dreamhack Stockholm (I think) actually spoke to the crowd before hand to ask them not try and not make sounds that may give away certain things in the game.
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it was dh winter im pretty sure, but yeah fifflaren told the crowd not to cheer in certain moments especially since it was a swedish team playing. VP vs NIP i think
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The other team would be able to hear the caster aswell...
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Because that makes it so much better!
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I wasn't saying it was right or wrong. I was just saying what was happening.
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I'm pretty sure that was TheOddOne who said that in one of his vlogs. But yea, LCS setup is a joke and is proven every weekend by releasing "Mic Check" episodes that you can clearly hear casters saying stuff like "flanking" or "TP" when crowds and teams are quiet...
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The "Mic Checks" intentionally add the caster and crowd in the background to give context (and hype). It is not what the players actually hear.
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No. Because you know when your teammate clears the ward of enemy clears your ward.
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uh, sorry I'm dumb. LOL
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Back in the day it didn't.
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It was before it. Waay before.
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fnatic fangirls need to realise that CLG could hear them, then they could also
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I don't think anyone is trying to argue that fnatic lost because of the casters, I'm a fnatic fanboy and clg beat them fair and square. People just want it highlighted that players can hear the comms which is a problem.
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Who hasn't?
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Not a fanboy for either team. Sometimes casters will say information, completely by chance, that happens to benefit one team more than another, so you can't say that it was fair just because both teams could hear the casters. It's gamebreaking.
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might not be fair but it was completely out of CLG's control, I posted this for people going "CLG cheaters" "Give my skins back" etc etc.
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I just went through this entire thread and nobody said anything remotely close to that but good job being one of THOSE people
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why dont you look when this was posted as of when the thread was posted? About 30 minutes after for the record. Doesn't take a genius to work it out, but thanks for your meaningful reply dude!
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Also Luminosity could hear Envy, I watched the POV some minutes ago, some1 said "Ones CT he called it I could hear it" nothing to do about it you can just blame ESL for it.
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you can just blame ESL for it.
Don't know why they need to loudspeaker the commentary when there doesn't seem to be much of a crowd anyway.
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Not sure either.. I could hear the commentators and other teams more than the crowd itself
IF theres a crowd
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There were approx. 40 people in the room, sometimes like 70, there was also a second room where like 20 people sat down.
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Where approx was it said in the game?
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Uhm Luminosity was definitely on T side. Im not entirely sure but around round 10-15
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Since i came from watching Dota 2 tournaments to CS:GO tournaments I asked myself the question : Why are they not using these fancey boxes ( sorry, I really dont know how to call them) where the players sit in ? I guess they should prevent exactly this problem hearing the casters or crowd reactions ?
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Its not a big LAN place-wise afaik.
On some LANS like DH i guess they use it.
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They're just called booths. But even booths are extremely hard to soundproof when you have such booming speakers for commentary.
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it was a big thing about the booths, pretty sure they barely help against the outside noise and they are very expensive so ship around to lesser tournaments like this one. they will probably have one in cologne.
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I'd agree with the setup by ESL, like wtf did you see Envy vs LG. Envy all have large mouse mats, enough room for everything.. it pans to LG and I think it was Pyth has his keyboard pretty much on his lap and mouse mat crammed into a tiny space. Why can't they provide ample room for 5 people.
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I don't think it made a difference if that was the point of this post. I really don't think there would have been anything they could do about it and if this clip shows anything I think it's that it didn't hinder fnatic
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And then we had Anders translating TSM strats for Fnatic lel
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Setup definitely needs a change, in League tournaments they sometimes have soundproof booths.
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So much flanking by KeyD Stars.
To hear the casters is definitely an advantage for CT-side.
Let's hope the Admins will look into it.
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After the KeyD stars game, Cutler just confirmed this again. Literally 4 min ago.
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wow... this is so stupid -_-
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why not just add a 3 minute delay. problem fucking solved.
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You're silver 1 so you probably don't even know what you just said.
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thats not even silver 1 levels of stupidity
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if the casters casted the match on a 3min delay then it would be near impossible for ghosting to happen. But one downside would be that when the match ends, the 2 teams would have to sit still until the 3 min delay was over.
Btw, why does it matter if im silver 1?
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If they casted the match on a 3 min delay, what would be the purpose of even seeing it live?
"14-14, I wonder who's gonna win?" Oh, probably those guys cheering on the stage right now because they just won.
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Do you think that fnatic couldn't hear it? Or it was just magically CLG admin bias linking a direct feed into their booth.
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Fnatic could 99% definitely hear the casters too
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I watched the whole CLG-POV and they never made a call based of the casters casting.
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Wait, they were in a booth and still hearing the casters? Did they break a window or what? Actually, if they were in a booth, there is a high chance CLG's booth had a defect which let the sound go through. Boothes are not supposed to do that, their booth mustve been broken. Fnatic's probably wasn't
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Yeah- that's not true, the booth's are not fully soundproof, several DOTA pros have echoed the same sentiments.
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I was joking, there was no booths in this event sadly. You can hear the enemy team yelling in the coms also.
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which means fnatic could as well. there is literally an admin standing behind both teams. if a player with headphones can hear casters then the admins already know. terrible setup by esl.
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Well it was like 7 sec left in the round, and they weren't on A, so there weren't many options really
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He was T spawn and would have heard the plant at A.
@20 sec he started running towards A ramp and when he saw no one he started gunning it for B. They literally had to be planting B.
Since CLG knew he wasn't B, he almost certainly had to be coming from A and the quickest way would be market. There is a small chance he would be coming apt/cat but they (CLG) had gone through connector -> jungle -> market -> B so they were pretty certain he was T spawn/Palace
Ah, of course. Obviously Fnatic is trying to cheat. /s
Nah. I'm not saying they cheated. Even if they did hear something I would not call them cheaters. It's not like it's their fault. If you heard something like they're all at A, would you just ignore it? Obviously not, and you can't blame some one for that.
You gotta risk it in a 1v2
What, there was like 11 seconds left on the timer and there was no one on A. Of course they were B.
FNS was right when he said that they wouldn't change it. What were they going to do about it? Lower the volume? Cut off the audio to the arena?
The only thing they could probably do is pump more white noise into CLG's headphones (provided that it was a setup that allowed for that) and even then it could end up causing them to be at a disadvantage if fnatic could hear as well and didn't say anything about it.
but they could just open their mic and still hear the casters
They lowered the volume drastically until it wa barely understandeable even for us.
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