NYC Hiring 1,300 New Cops to Fight Lowest-Ever Crime Rate
animalnewyork.com/2015/nyc-hiring-1300-new-co...Posted Jul 4, 2015, 8:51 AM UTC
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As someone who lives in NYC Im actually for this. Most crimes are rarely documented such as robberies in the loewer income areas e.g everywhere not Manhattan. Areas are getting progressively poorer and poorer and more crimes are being committed. This should not be demonized, it creates jobs and helps reduce crime and isnt a "police state in action" like most of reddit thinks.
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Which areas are becoming poorer?
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The areas most affected are Upper East Manhattan and Brooklyn. Essentially whats happening is many more college educated people move into homes in those areas and because they are willing to move property owners increase rent forcing those to move farther in land and going to less expensive and poorer neighborhoods which only affects those who can not afford to live in the new more expensive places.
Then NYC needs to create more housing that can accommodate as many people as possible. The "projects" of NY are essentially the poor mans housing compared to those of Manhattan. And to make these cheaper they create them in the poorer areas that do not have them.
The Bronx and Brooklyn have more homes than apartment complexes than Manhattan. So in the end the cheapest houses will be in the poor areas but nobody will live there unless they have too (mostly those who cant afford anything else). The thing about these neighborhoods is most people rarely make it to college because of the ghetto mindset and are stuck in an endless cycle of staying poor.
Source: My Home
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TL;DR: gentrification
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From my perspective as a real estate investor, I am witnessing the transformation of NYC (five boroughs) into a super-city with two classes: the elite and the servant. I am seeing similar activity in both Miami and San Francisco and expect many more cities to follow suit, especially big coastal cities.
The amount of money pouring into Brooklyn is alarming. It may be simply opportunistic or there may be some underlying agenda. For example, a two-family house in an area which ten years ago I would not set foot in after dark (Bedford-Stuyvesant, Bushwick) is selling on average for $700,000 in dilapidated condition. Moreover, for such a house, you have 25 or more parties vying for it, so the competition is there and it is fierce. Next in line are East New York, Brownsville, Canarsie, and Flatbush. In ten years, demographically speaking, I expect Brooklyn will be 95% Caucasian.
There are two methods with which the houses are purchased: the early bird gets the worm and money talks; sometimes both are employed. Simply put, the former method is whoever finds the house first usually can persuade the owner to sell. The latter can ultimately be more effective: offer the owner a stupid amount of money. With that said, the owners (predominantly African-American) are taking the money and fleeing to more affordable states in the south.
There are two major players in NYC currently: Jewish and Chinese, with the latter recently surpassing the former in total real estate assets owned in New York State. The Jewish investors are buying mostly Brooklyn and the Chinese are taking over Queens. Despite what Mayor DeBlasio and Governor Cuomo are superficially legislating (rent-control increase freeze, i.e.) they cannot stop the tidal inflow of money. Money trumps anything in economies dependent on it and that's a fact.
East Harlem and Bronx are what Brooklyn was ten years ago. If you have money to invest, better to put it there than in a mutual fund or a well-below-the-inflation-rate CD at your bank.
TL;DR: NYC is becoming an elite super-city, and the middle class is being eradicated. The same is true for the United States of America.
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The thing about these neighborhoods is most people rarely make it to college because of the ghetto mindset and are stuck in an endless cycle of staying poor.
Yeah that's the explanation- mindset. Not deep rooted systemic inequality and terrible schools. It's just that darn ghetto mindset. Rats!
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Upper east side is not getting poorer you fucking idiot.
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Maybe I explained it wrong. The middle class and lower class are becoming poorer because they are unable to afford the rising rents and must move to areas that are cheaper.
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That's not what he said. Try reading past the first sentence, cuntwipe.
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99% of America. The other 1% is booming however.
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more crimes are being committed.
you say this based on what?
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a "police state in action" like most of reddit thinks.
I don't know enough about the situation to comment specifically but in general this isn't a bad thing if and only if a condition is met. If the police are going to be out in the city and active citizens engaging with the populace, then this will be a very good thing as it will form civic bonds that reduce crime. If these police will be used and see themselves as an "elite force" against the forces of terror and crime, then it isn't so good and that is what forms the police state we have a problem with. I have no problem with more police officers, and it is a dangerous job, but in volunteering for it you should be held to a higher standard of civic norms, and sense of rule of law.
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Like, you fucking dumb fucks realize that departments have to hire according to expected retirements right?
That's exactly how it works.... 1,300 put their papers in? Okay let's hire 1,300.
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Like, you fucking dumb fucks realize that department have to hire according to expected retirements right?
Only if they want to maintain the force at the same size. Some people might suggest that if serious crime has gone down, say, 50% over the last 20 years, you might not need as many police officers as you once had.
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Yes, crimes down so let's cut the department the same percentage that crime is down. Departments have tried it, it doesn't work that way.
Criminals are dumb as fuck, but they're not entirely fucked up. If a fuck up knows that a department is down hard core, they're more inclined to do stuff.
A decent example would be if you know a majority of your town is at a call, say a tragic car accident, you're not going to be to worried about speeding once you passed said accident.
Same can be said with major crimes, if a shit bag knows their department is crushing OT hours, and is down men, they're not going to think twice about a crime of opportunity.
Crime is like natural selection and nature. Think of an island with wolves and deer. When deer is plentiful, wolves reproduce quickly because food is abundant and they're strong. But now you have a shit ton of wolves who start to peck away at the deer population. Soon, the food levels will not be sustainable with the amount of wolves at hand. So wolf numbers start to go down.... When the wolf numbers are low, deer population begins to increase, and so forth and so forth.
Cities and towns know this, that's why they have a set number of officers, usually in the city or town charter. They maintain this number at much as possible because to many means spending more money then needed and having to few means crime almost always increases. There's a perfect number for each city and town, and it should always be kept. Same mentality with fire departments.
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Yes, crimes down so let's cut the department the same percentage that crime is down
When did I ever suggest that? I didn't. But it's hard to understand how a 5% decrease in the force, for example, will cause catastrophe.
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Almost 9 million people live in nyc, 1300 more cops are hired this is not the start of the police state so calm down OP
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Something I heard, in regards to this is how most cops do their jobs and stop crime, and actually help people. Crime rate may be low, but thats probably because the people are being stopped before anything happens or taking care of it swiftly, be it responding to calls fast or stopping an altercation before it escalates.
Its foolish to say crime rates are low because less people are bad and doing bad things so we need less cops. A factor for low crime rate is due to having cops.
I'll jump on the "cops suck" bandwagon now and again for a truly stupid thing they've done, but in general cops have a job and they do it.
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A lot of this hiring is due to attrition, retirements, and to keep up with the growth of the city. Not due to a police state.
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Shouldn't that read 1,300 new troops?
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Fuck that shit, it just causes more problems than fixing. What if that extra police force comes in with that mentality, kill or fuck over that's not rich or white? Then you have a city in pressure causing more danger to the actually good cops.
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As a New Yorker, I cannot see this ending well for us. It really amazes me how much our city has begun to resemble City 17 from HL2; at least from the public security angle.
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The problem with NYC police is that all the older cops, the ones who train the rookies, were around for 9/11.
Military mind set took hold after 9/11 due to increased terrorist training. Before there were cops who saw themselves as a part of the neighborhood, now the majority view is that the next attack can come any time, so things like chatting to merchants and kids is a thing of the past.
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Hahahha. Sure buddy, the cops were teddy bears pre-9/11.
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And cops neeeever interact positively with their community anymore!
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Not any community I've ever seen in the U.S. but I've only lived in the major cities. Not trying to be funny, but, I have never, in my entire life, seen a positive interaction between a cop and a civilian. In the US. I haven't even heard of a good interaction secondhand. Have you?
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Because it's the only fat cat Union job left.
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TL;DR: An intentional work slow down from nearly a year ago skews any and all stats spreading across any and all times. Forget that the slow down quietly stopped around the new year when the mayor gave the NYPD new bulletproof vests and other toys.
Shut up!!!! More cops is always more better!!!! Stupid civilians don't know what's good for them!!!! The ritualistic killings of minorities and the homeless and seizure of money makes you safer civilian!
Wow.
You know, if you stopped insulting your audience, you'd get more people to listen.
A few sources to back up those claims would go a long way too.
but it wouldn't be as fun
Basically few cops means few crimes recorded, and 1 murder or 1 theft equals 1 crime.
Is there any rates managing crimes rate vs how serious of a crime it is? Basically weighing the crimes.
Thanks for making the time to write this out @on_duty_concierge
really, so if a cop isn't there to see it....it didn't happen?
If a tree falls in the forest and no one records it, then no, it according to stats it didn't happen.
I don't know if there are any studies or research methods that weigh different crimes in regards to their perceived seriousness. In my opinion you would have to look at crimes against people and property because I believe that drug offenses and morality offenses like prostitution (not including human trafficking) and gambling are political in nature and give far less insight into the safety of a community.
I would say that if you really want a good indication of law and order you would look at crimes against people and property. Crime rates are bullshit across the board, more reliable sources and victimization surveys and self report surveys.
Yes, a simple pointsystem could easily be done.
Property could also get extra points* if there was guns involved etc.
Against people murder could weigh more than assault/fighting etc.
Basically a quite simple but effective way to weigh crimes.
Also, it would be nice to have a crimes per cop, could be really helpfull. Maybe theres a corrolation between number of cops and crimes, maybe even in a surprising manner.
*I allmost wrote bonus points, but it felt really weird to get "bonus points" at gun point etc.
Isn't the "anti-police narrative" just....reality? The videos of cops murdering people by shooting them in the back...where does that fit into the "anti police narrative"? Are those videos just bad bullying meanie anti police videos?
says the guy who says "ignore the statistics, they are lying".
He forgot to remove the cops penis from his hands before he typed... probably an honest mistake
lol he deleted the post and account
Just another loser reddit doesn't need ... carry on Good sir.. have a great day.
The best part of this comment is the follow up comments from the butthurt people that read this and realized you were talking about them. Poetic.
So, the cops stopped doing their job and now the city is hiring more cops to be trained by the cops who aren't doing their job. Should really help fix the situation.
I'm sure if you were talking about any profession besides police officer you would have a much larger issue with the not doing their job part. But cops get a pass because the mayor was being mean to them at the same time as two of their friends were killed.
You should just move to a red state for good and be done with it. Staten Island doesn't count.
Seriously. You'll be much happier.