This just came up in a game I played as Geist. I installed Street Peddler but could not install any of the cards hosted on it. Am I still able to trash it to trigger the Geist draw? I thought I could because it changes the game state but my opponent thought I couldn't because I couldn't actually use Street Peddler's ability.
Posted Jul 8, 2015, 3:24 AM UTC
Just imagine being MaxX and getting your Levy installed on street peddler along with a Legwork and Sure Gamble.
Better be running chop bot or aesops, in that case.
I don't feel it's worth dedicating a deck slot just for statistical anomalies. And really SP should only be included in decks which don't run a lot of events so that this kind of occurrence actually is a statistical anomaly.
The intent was - "you better already be running one of those cards if you have events you CANT afford to lose but want to use street peddler, otherwise don't put in sp", not to dedicate a slot purely for that.
Okay then, you shouldn't exclude her because of the risk of statistical anomalies either. You shouldn't dedicate a deckslot to chopbot or aesops just for the slim chance she'll land three events, and you shouldn't leave her out of decks without chopbot or aesops because of the tiny risk of failure. Either way you want to approach it neither ChopBot nor Aesops should be factors in whether to include Peddler or not. The most important factors are how many events are you running, and how much recursion are you running?
I tried to make a sub reddit asking this newbie question and had my post removed. Since Im not trying to wait a week to get an answer Ill ask here in this semi related post. I just dont get the trash cost. Trash:Get something... Does that mean I can trash anything? I coule trash a card from my grip, an installed card or even a card off the 3 cards on street peddler itself to trigger the ability?
The trash ability applies only to the card that it is on, unless stated otherwise.
The first ability reads:
When you install Street Peddler, host the top 3 cards of your stack facedown on Street Peddler (you may look at these cards at any time).
Street peddler's second ability reads:
trash: Install 1 card hosted on Street Peddler, lowering its install cost by 1.
So there will be 3 cards on it face down. At any time (during a paid ability window) you can trash street peddler (moving it to your heap) to install one of the 3 face down cards (paying the cost -1credit).
You can't use the ability to trash a card from your grip, another installed card, or a card on street peddler.
Thank you! So to be clear, unless a card very specifically says otherwise, "trash: get something", is referring to trashing the card with the "trash: get something" ability on it?
Yup! That's the one! Some examples:
Cortez Chip trashes itself:
trash: Choose a piece of ice. The Corp must pay 2 as an additional cost to rez that ice until the end of the turn.
Aesop's Pawnshop trashes other cards:
When your turn begins, you may trash another of your installed cards to gain 3.
Now we really get it! The group thanks you!
The answer is no, you can't trash it, and the reason is because Lukas said so.*
https://twitter.com/RukasuFox/status/618047088308432896
The general rule is: if you can't do the effect then you aren't allowed to pay the cost. Jackson howard gets around this because he says "up to 3", so you can shuffle 0 cards back in (no you can't actually shuffle 0 cards into anything, but netrunner pretends 0 is an actual amount of something, instead of nothing). If peddler said "install up to one card" you most likely could used it, but since you HAVE to install a card, you cant.
EDIT: *Yes it's in the main rulebook too, but Lukas confirming something via twitter is more solid proof than the rulebook, as lukas has issued rules changes before via twitter, so any ruling made on twitter is the most official a ruling can get.
Or, you know, because the rules say so.
Thanks!
No problem!
The thing to consider when asking "does this change the game state?" is always to ask the effect of the action/ability in question. It doesn't matter if the costs change the game state, it doesn't matter if any further abilities trigger off of the ability, it doesn't even matter if the game "engine" itself changes the game state due to the use of the ability (such as the hosted cards on Street Peddler being trashed due to the hosting rules). The only thing that matters is to ask does the effect of this ability change the game state? Is it resolvable?
Hope that helps!
Yes, thats true.
Normally a reading of the rules would suggest you cannot trigger street peddler.
However, rules have been overturned before by FAQs and tweets. So the most final say is if lukas confirms it. Regardless of what it says in the rules, when Lukas or an FAQ says otherwise, it's lukas/the FAQ that is Netrunner official. So if you want the most definitive version that will definitely be true, if lukas has said something on the subject you use that.
Thats where i was going with that statement. Not to say the basic rules didn't have it, but to say it's been confirmed in the most solid way possible in netrunner, on twitter.
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When you "shuffle 0 cards" back in, do you still shuffle the deck? Cause that's hella relevant.
Lukas has ruled yes on this.
Thanks!
Anytime!
This is garbage. The events are just stuck there for the rest of the game unless you have some other way of trashing street peddler. They need to change this rule fast.
Well it's kinda like how if you play wyldside and dont have adjusted chronotype or a way to trash it you're just out a click forever. Its something you have to account for with your deck and play, and a real danger if the right cards get sniped with damage or destroyed.
"Goddamn hobos clogging up streets! Now I don't have enough space for my planned assault!"
This is no different to installing a console or any other non-program card with a downside (the downside of consoles being that you can only have one installed). You simply build around it. You don't include multiple types of consoles, you include Aesop's or Chronotype with Wyldside if you don't want to be down a click the entire game. You don't include Street Peddler if your deck is 50% events.
If you're frequently hitting three events with Peddler that's a problem with your deck composition, not the rules.
No. It's a problem with the rules. Just because I cannot resolve the ability should not mean I cannot pay the cost. That is very different from the way consoles work. It's not an explicit downside to the card. It's an implicit one hidden in a bad ruling.
By that logic you could argue that just because you can't pay the cost should not mean you cannot resolve the ability. You can't just separate cost from effect when it's convenient for you. And what exactly is bad about this rule? That it makes an already excellent card slightly less excellent? Oh boo hoo. Just because you don't like the way something works and you think it should work differently does not constitute a valid argument as to why it's bad. A bad rule is something that is one of several things: unintuitive, ambiguous, inconsistent, or detrimental to the game.
What's your argument that it falls under one of those categories? And don't say it's bad because it makes Peddler less of a great card. As for consoles that it's implicit rather than explicit is neither here nor there. It's a downside, most cards have them whether implicitly or explicitly. Deal with it.
It's the anarchy way. Risk Vs reward