I'm sick of having the conversation about 'marriage.' Is not wanting to get married something else one should keep to themselves similarly to other TRP ideas?

So far I've been saying that 'there is almost no incentive for men to get married'. I never say more, regardless of how they respond. I do consider saying even less... Maybe it would be better to say less. I just wish I could get people thinking about men's rights.

I purposely avoid debating my opinions on social and political matter due to my "inflammatory and offensive" stance. But the topic of marriage is one I get a kick out of poking fun at. I start out with a statement about women and why marriage is a good deal for them, then abruptly assert that any male who would marry in this day and age is a stupid, impressionable sucker. Then I overwhelm them with undeniable facts, scenarios, examples and statistics.

They usually start out condescending me, but as the debate progresses it doesn't take two minutes to get to my favorite part. The part where the women are visibly offended and become venomous, which I point out will happen before they react in this way so their shaming tactics and slander validate me and discredit them. I call out and deconstruct every emotional manipulation and shaming tactic the women throw at me, and the men eat it up.

The men have no choice but to agree with my sentiments but don't want to, their facial expressions betray the war going on in their heads and I love it. Their condescending tones turn to a kind of confused "wait, his logic is solid, but this can't be." The women sense this and many of them start throwing bitch fits, one girl went to the ladies room too cry but her husband stayed to listen to me. I knew why, and I confidently assume that I was describing their marriage accurately and exposing the inner mechanisms behinds his wifes tactics. He knew it.

Its just so much fun, most of them avoid me after, some guys have thanked me, but unsurprisingly the women stay far away. My cousins husband is divorcing her, and I know its because of me, she tried turning everyone against me and did the whole victim suicide thing to gain sympathy but I care for little but the truth. Those who shun me are little more than child minded sheep too weak to align themselves with reality, such juveniles can kill themselves for all I care, they get no sympathy from me, they get only my disdain. She hates me but I don't give one fuck, she should have fucked him and cooked him some fucking eggs when he asked for it. I opened his eyes to the options, freedom and respect he passed up for her asexual fat ass and I'm proud of it.

I don't really give a shit if they agree with me or not, and I sure as hell don't need them to like me. They won't be asking me about marriage again lest I put the fear of God in them again.

They will learn to stay out of my fucking business, ask me no questions and ill tell you no truths.

Why are you arguing with women about this at all? Who gives a shit? Do what you want and let them talk.

If you do say anything, keep it to: "I don't want to get married b/c it's a shitty deal for men. Half of marriages end in divorce and I don't want to pay an ex-wife to fuck other guys and teach my kids to hate me."

When they call you "cynical" or "bitter" tell them only if "cynical" and "bitter" now mean "100% correct".

But seriously, it's better to say "ok, whatever" and go about your business and leave the kvetching and cackling to the women.....

It takes energy to argue your point. If you feel up to it, do it. But no one is going the be convinced -- you won't switch over, neither will they.

If you don't feel like it, just nod and chalk it up to "if I find the right person maybe I'll change my mind", then change the subject... Speaking of marriage, did you hear about that guy that set off the fireworks on his head? That's crazy! I bet alcohol is involved.

More and more people are not getting married now, so it'll be less and less of an issue moving forward. I hope anyway. I'm also in the no marriage camp.

It's pretty simple, just say you haven't found the right one yet and are looking hard (for that unicorn).

People in general won't push you to "settle" so you can keep the flag flying as long as you want, just like a fat chick on Okcupid going through 10 guys a week, none of which weren't "the one".

This kind of question comes up a lot here.

The standard TRP stance for talking about things like this is, "don't bother".

It's good advice for 98% of us.

If you're a good conversationalist, know how to deliver, know how to read body language, gauge the level of your audience, etc, you can tell them almost anything and get them to agree with you.

Storytime:

My sister got married last weekend. Lots of family members flew in from the opposite side of the country.

Naturally, they all wanted to talk to me about when I was going to get married and "it's my turn next"!

I would respond with something along the lines of "not in this lifetime", etc.

That would naturally spark up a conversation about it.

I have 3 different instances to describe here.

1. First my Uncle's wife. She's a former fitness instructor, now in her 40s, has had 4 kids. SAHM. Still attractive for her age.

We talked about the age gap between my sister and her fiance (22 and 32). I spoke about it positively and how men shouldn't even consider getting married until 28-30 at the earliest.

Spoke about the how the US culture is not very motivating for a man to want to get married, to which point she flat out agreed with me and said it's probably even worse in SoCal (where she lives).

2. My friend and his fiancee who are getting married next week. He's 34, his fiancee is 28. She was asking me about marriage etc.

I dropped some bombs on her about how a mans best years are his 30s and how if I was ever going to get married it would be to a girl 25 or younger. When she asked why I fed her the line, "Well a girls best years are her early 20s, so if I'm giving her my best years then it's only fair that she gives me hers in return."

She looked kind of sad, but said "yeah i guess that makes sense".

I talked to her some more about other things and how the male/female roles in society are now different than they were 50 years ago and how marriage doesn't benefit both parties the same way it used to when the women stayed home and took care of the house and the man provided. I said, now that more women have options and want to pursue careers I feel like marriage isn't as mutually beneficial as it used to be.

She said, "Top let me give you some insight". Out of my 10 closest friends, 8 of them are married. 7 of them are either SAHM or will be when they have children. That's what they want to do. They want to be housewives. They don't want to work, they want to raise children.

Obviously she wasn't really giving me any insight since I already know those things but I'm sure you can see where I'm going with these. TRP principles confirmed.

Women don't want to work. Women look for a BB when they approach the wall (remember her age 28) so they can secure a provider.

3. I had a late night conversation with 2 of my uncles (both 50s and high end business execs in SoCal) and a few of my cousins, age range 18-20.

I flat out said the state of marriage is dangerous for men in it's current form. Since both of my uncles are married, I tried to soften the blow for them by adding.

"You guys lucked out" (as in they have been married for 20+ years and their wives are still hot and their families are intact).

One of my Uncles immediately countered. We didn't luck out. Marriage is a risk. I wanted to have a family. I knew exactly what I was getting into and the possibilities of what could happen.

Moral of the story:

I didn't hold back when talking with these people. I didn't try to hide RedPill philosophy or avoid it.

The people I spoke to didn't have a negative backlash, in fact it was quite the contrary, even with the 28yo girl approaching the wall who is getting married in a week didn't WHEN I SPOKE ABOUT MARRIAGE BEING NEGATIVE AND HOW I WOULDN'T CONSIDER MARRYING A GIRL OLDER THAN 25 in front of her fiance.

tldr: You can talk about RedPill but it's not recommended unless you know how to speak to people the right way.

Don't engage. And don't forget the five-month expiration date.

Cut that shit out This is your life This is your choice You don't have to answer to any of them and you should choose not to. If you have been paying attention, women want you to be beta, especially family.

My mother say oh you don't want to get married? It's that no woman wants to marry you because you have no fucking balls.

Fuck her and fuck your mom too.

Men do what they want. I'm a man and I'm not getting married. You have seen enough blue pill examples, you know enough about women to know AWALT and you don't have to justify yourself to anyone.

You don't have the time to care about outsole taking about you behind your back. All you have time for is lifting, self improvement and spinning plates.

My family has given up on talking to me about marriage.....and rightfully so. They know I see it for what it is......a shit deal for men. For the longest time I told them to show me a woman who's worthy of marrying. "crickets." SCORE!

If it's the lady herself trying to get me to commit, I just turn my back. Let her assume, for as long as possible, that she'll eventually convince me, without my ever having to say so. This is right out of Leykis 101.

If it's one of my relatives or work acquaintances asking (and not in public), I'll be honest: not only no but hell no, and why. (I'm not worried about those people telling, because I wouldn't date anyone who knows them anyway.)

Either way, it's not a topic to bother arguing about.