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villon

About the Dark Lord ending.

I've been replaying the game and reading about the endings recently. Which one is the good and the bad one and that kind of stuff. I have a very different opinion about the ending and I'd like to know what you guys think. I wrote a huge post about it but then erased it by mistake. Oops.

One of the strengths of the game is how easily you can role play. When I read item descriptions, I always figure my character also reads it, one way or the other. I assume he knows as much as me. Knowing that, when the serpents bow down before him, calling him the Dark Lord, I assume he knows it's bullshit. He's been to Oolacile, to New Londo. He knows very very well that Kaathe and Frampt are manipulating him into creating the abyss and/or shortening the Age of Dark ( or whatever the fuck they want). Why would he let them manipulate him? I always tought he'd fight back somehow.

So, the way I see it, there's three endings.

Linking the fire, which is considered a bad ending by most people. The Dark Lord ending where you obliviously believe Kaathe and the third ending, the open one, which is up to you. What do you guys think ?

Posted Jul 23, 2015, 6:17 AM UTC

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leuno•

I've always chosen to think of the whole thing as nothing more than an infinitely repeating cycle in which Frampt and Kaathe are just two manipulators trying to win a chess game. Or they may even be two heads of the same creature. Either way, no matter what you choose is just one more chit mark for either one, and the cycle begins again. NG+s are just new iterations of the cycle, where everything's alive again and frampt and kaathe have another chance to convince you to come to their side. But there is no AFTER you link the flame or let it die. Either way it's the last moment before the cycle repeats.

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villonOP•

I have always believed they were part of the same creature, just like a hydra. This shield might be a hint to their true nature : http://darksouls.wikidot.com/caduceus-round-shield

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leuno•

that is pretty interesting, i never really looked at the shield, but given the nature of this game I'd say it's no accident. And it's made from the wood of Ash Lake trees, where one of the hydras lives, and hydras drop dragon scales, so maybe frampt and Kaathe are really one two-headed dragon and the hydras are their descendants. If it really all is just an endless cycle, maybe the whole conceit of the chosen undead and gwyn and the age of fire is their way of punishing Gwyn. Frampt is supposed to be Gwyn's friend, but he's used his magic to distort time and space in Lordran and force this aging man who waged war against them to relive his descent into insanity and finally his death over and over again.

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Caravaggi0•

They're bringing about true dark, and since both frampt and kaathe are there it's safe to say you do have some sway over them.

The problem is that, even with as powerful as you've become, if the flame goes out then that's it. No more light soul, no more age of fire. Just because the main character is powerful and has amassed souls doesn't mean he can change the effect the flame had on the entire world and the inhabitants of it.

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f_myeah•

Kaathe [is] manipulating him into creating the abyss

Huh? Where'd you get this from? How does defeating Gwyn "create the abyss?" I thought Manus and the abyss were both created long ago when the Dark Soul fractured..?

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villonOP•

We find two locations where the abyss has been created. Oolacile where Manus spreaded the Abyss and New Londo where it was a result of the greed of the four kings. The Oolacile citizens were encouraged by a primordial serpents and it is Kaathe who gave the art of life drain to the four kings. I don't think ending the Age of Fire has anything to do with the Abyss. Rather, it is created when you have too much humanity and it goes out of control.

When you meet Kaathe, he gives you the art of Lifedrain, just like he did with the four kings. This is why I think he is most likely manipulating the PC into creating a new Abyss.

Soul of Manus description : But he became the Father of the Abyss after his humanity went wild, eternally seeking his precious broken pendant.

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