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earmite

What are all the examples we have of powers getting stronger or weaker?

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Taylor's range and control get stronger when she's feeling trapped, desperate, or betrayed. What are some other examples we have of how a cape's powers get stronger or weaker, and under what circumstances?

For example, although there isn't strong evidence for it, my personal theory is that Taylor doesn't learn to see and hear through her bugs, but that her passenger rewards her for fighting other parahumans by interpreting the bug senses for her. The first time she is able to hear through her bugs is right after the bank job and the Bakuda fight, where she fought ten capes is 24 hours. And then she goes over a week without a cape fight while she recovers from her concussion, and her power takes away this new use since she isn't fighting enough. I don't remember her ever doing anything concrete to learn this skill, but by the Echidna arc she's able to do it.

Do you guys have any other fridge logic cases like this, or your own pet theories?

Posted Sep 8, 2015, 8:19 AM UTC

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LexiconWroughtTrump•

I believe Damsel of Distress was stated to gain more control over her powers when she was the dominant parahuman in her area. This was the reason she didn't last long with the Nine, she needed to be the one in charge.

Also, presumably the Adepts found ways to increase their power with their various totems and stuff.

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FireHawkDeltaMaster•

IIRC Taylor got stronger by teaching her shard how to use her power more effectively, and if she used a tactic enough it became automatic. So after she figured out how to interpret bug senses, her shard started doing the interpetation for her.

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earmiteOPShaker•

That's a cool theory. So, after the Bakuda fight, she figured out how to do it while delirious, and then forgot? And she just had to keep trying long enough for her passenger to figure out that's what she wanted and learn how to do it for her?

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FireHawkDeltaMaster•

That's pretty much spot on. The shards are geared towards conflict because it creates these tactics for the shards to learn and evolve, when they learn enough they bud and the 2nd gen cape has a new take on the power. Cauldron capes don't have any of this, because their shards are "dead".

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Ranku_AbadeerStriker•

that would definitely explain her issues with her bugs going on autopilot and doing things that she knew she never told them to do (ie making silk cords while she was unconscious)

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number6•

Unless that was her second trigger.

;)

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KeoaratrShaker•

I believe it is stated somewhere that Grue gets stronger when trying to protect someone. It is generally true that powers get stronger/ easier to use when someone is in a situation similar to their trigger event.

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blames_irrationallyStumble, Mover 2•

That wouldn't be accurate for Grue though. Bow has revealed multiple times that Grue lied about his trigger.

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NinteenFortyFive•

Bzzt wrong.

Hi second trigger was explict in what his trigger was. He lied about saying he triggered after he took Aisha to safety after battering his mom's boyfriend.

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blames_irrationallyStumble, Mover 2•

Do you have WoG on this? Because Wildbow has said multiple times on the IRC that Brian lied about his trigger. Also, he's a Stranger/Shaker cape. How would either trigger from delivering a beat down? That's Brute, Striker, etc realm.

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Ranku_AbadeerStriker•

by that logic, taylor should have gotten a mover power since she was trapped and wanted to escape from her locker.

you have to look at the core emotions. his thing was wanting to protect aisha from a bad enviroment. he himself was never in any real danger, and he knew that. the trigger would have been from the source of the stress, aisha's abuse. which is extended enough from himself to be a shaker.

also do you have a link for that? i've seriously never heard of brian lying about his trigger.

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NinteenFortyFive•

Do you have WoG on this?

It's called Worm.

Read 4.4, where Brian talked about his trigger event. He doesn't say he did it with Aisha, but mentions the aftermath, talks about finding out about his powers when washing his bloody hands and says that his trigger is an example that some are quiet.

So even if I was only fifteen, I was tall for my age, I was fit, and I knew how to throw a punch. I didn’t say a word, didn’t make a sound. I put my sister down and beat my mother’s boyfriend within an inch of his life, my mother screaming and wailing the entire time. When I was done, I picked my sister up and returned to the cab. We went to my father’s that night, and we went to the police station in the morning.”

“When you throw a punch barehanded, it doesn’t leave your hands pristine. A few good swings, you connect solidly with someone’s face, someone’s teeth, and it tears the fuck out of your knuckles. It was at my father’s place that night, washing and cleaning my hands, when I saw it. It wasn’t just blood leaking out of my torn up knuckles, but there was the darkness too, like wisps of really black smoke. You hear about the trigger event, you might think it’s all about rage or fear. But I’m a testament that it can be just the opposite. I didn’t feel a fucking thing.”

Which is a serious contrast from his second trigger in 13.9, where he was about to witness an unconscious Aisha get killed before his very eyes.

“Trickster it is. Finish off the rest.”

[...]

“Yes! Then we’ll go from first to last. The girl with the horns.”

Imp?

The small circular saw started up with its high-pitched whine.

Then it stopped. I could hear a strangled noise.

“Aw. Look at his heart beating! So fast!”

[...]

“It did. But we should go. Burnscar? Torch the ones we’re not bringing.”

“I wanted to!”

“You had your chance, little b. You got distracted.”

I could feel the heat of nearby flame as Burnscar manifested a fireball in one hand.

Darkness rolled over Burnscar’s feet, a carpet. There was no direction to it, and very little volume. It pooled on the ground and spread.

“Yes! He’s doing it! Can I look? I just want to get the hard drive!”

“No.”

“But-”

I could feel my heart pounding, pounding, then stop. The pain was gone. I was gone too. I had no body, only perception.

The scene was familiar. At the same time, I couldn’t have said what happened next. It was like a book I’d read years ago and promptly forgotten, too strange to commit to memory.

The difference is that in 4.4 he wasn't actually close to the team. He had every reason to lie bout his trigger event, because his issue was Aisha. He was literally the stereotype of the overprotective older brother to a T.

tl;dr he did lie but everyone keeps thinking he told the truth in the first place.

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KeoaratrShaker•

Just because he didn't tell the (entire) truth, does not mean that his trigger wasn't because he wanted to protect his sister.

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maybe_I_am_a_bot•

I'm thinking that the whole hearing part is just her getting used to it (she said that it used to be sensory overload in the hospital. The stuff it does when she's unconscious is, I think, Taylor's passenger assisting her. After she offs Alexandria and gets knocked unconscious, her power starts creating short silk ropes on its own, but not exactly in the way Skitter would've done it (lots of short pieces instead of a few longer ones).

Note: Tattletale mentions that she was thinking of giving Taylor a blindfold to help train the swarm-sense. Not having to interpret vision for a bit is what send her over the edge into learning how to listen with her bugs.

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bramflakes•

Obvious examples: Eidolon gets weaker before learning how to recharge, and Doormaker ran out of juice.

Dauntless gets continually more powerful as part of his power.

Tattletale mentions that sometimes her power gets stronger, but we don't ever find out details.

I think after the timeskip, Dinah could ask more questions without getting headaches.

Labyrinth's powers fluctuate in strength depending on her mental stability.

Bitch's power works better on wolves, not sure if that counts.

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QuillwraithTinker•

Dauntless gets continually more powerful as part of his power.

As does crawler.

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pseudonarne•

clock blocker was having a "good" day in echidna fight and that was the only reason skiter's trick worked iirc

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QuillwraithTinker•

Tinkers in general work better when they are inspired, sometimes by an opportunity to study another tinker's work or a relevant parahuman power. Also, when they have better materials and tools to work with.

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