[Standard] BFZ Gruul Omnath / Elemental Deck. New to Spikes. Would love it if you could look at my decklist.
[removed]
Posted Sep 23, 2015, 12:40 PM UTC · edited
114
You have 30 lands and Crater Hellion hasn't been standard legal for years, I think you mean Embermaw Hellion. How does this deck do against control? Aggro? What would make me want to play this over Rhinos?
1
Whoops, I meant crater elemental. I edited it now.
30 lands EDIT
I thought he was counting my rampers when he said '30 lands', but I had actually listed 30 lands above. I have edited it to the correct amount which is 26 lands.
Nissa requires 7 lands and Omnath is boosted by any landfall, but I see your point. Maybe I should add in more cards that take advantage of landfall or replace a couple lands with cards.
Rhinos
The short answer is - I dont know because I haven't played it in a tournament and we don't know how Rhinos will be in the new standard.
Otherwise, it's a different color, so I think it's easier to ramp in this deck. Woodland Wanderer can beat a Rhino's body, albeit without the initial 6 point life swing.
Rhino isn't an elemental, which means I can't sac it for 3 damage to an opponent, like I can every other creature in the deck.
Against control
It's not a combo deck, so I think the big creatures will be able to hold their own. It also has a good amount of card advantage. Also, the rampers have 2 power, which is a good way to whittle down a control player's life total early game.
Against aggro
I probably need to add some main deck cards for this. Maybe the new converge / blast that does damage to all creatures?
1
I think you should be able to get away with 26/27-ish lands, since you've got so much mana ramp.
I like the synergy between Crater/Whisperwood Elemental and Omnath. Crater Elemental being an 0/6 for three mana also makes it pretty decent against aggro decks, so you can hopefully buy enough time to get to your Omnaths.
I'm not sure Atarka's Command does enough in this deck to justify its spot over the last two Crater's Claws.
2
Oh shoot, I meant to only list 26 lands. I'm not running a full 30.
Thanks for the thought on Atarka's- I'll add 2 more crater's claws and see how that goes.
1
Easy Ferocious + a lot of mana production usually makes Crater's Claws a great win condition and/or removal spell.
2
Welcome to spikes community. I hate to be that guy that drops the rule on you but here it is
That being said please include a rundown of your match ups and detail experience playing these decks against other top tier decks. Your answers have been pretty ambiguous and lead me to believe that you slapped a decklist together and said, "Go"
While we appreciate effort into creating decks and bring forth new ideas this is not the forum for the intro phases of brewing something like this. TappedOut and MTG Salvation have a very dedicated group of players who are dedicated to testing and ironing out potential decks for competitive play before they present list here for review in the form of a semi primer. r/deckbuilding is acceptable as well.
This post actually seems alright here. Everything is a brew since the cards have all been spoiled but not released. I feel like we go through this every new set..
Bring to Light Control is tested
Aristocrats is Tested
5C Good Stuff is Tested
This its just a list. A list that hasn't seen enough testing to be in Spikes. It has it's place in plenty of other forums but not in the competitive section. It's not even running Dragonlord Atarka. How competitive can it be in Red/Green if you aren't running the one card that wins the matches.
In last standard yes, perhaps omnath is stronger in G/R as a finisher. Have you played new standard yet?
I've tested 5C and Abzan decks exclusively against all the new decks and older decks. Omnath is missing alot that makes Atarka a house. Atarka goes over your head, has trample and does 5 damage as he chooses when he enters the battlefield clearing his path. Also an 8/8.
Omnath has no flying, No trample and is a less impressive 5/5 who might make a single 5/5 token before he gets exiled away or board wiped away. Maybe you'll get 6 damage out of him if you're extremely lucky on his death effect. Dragonlord Atarka is coming through for 8. And he's taking a Rhino with him.
Gotcha - playtest and then return upon further evaluation. Thanks.
Again not saying I don't like the idea. I actually tested the shell a few times with Den Protector instead of Crater Elemental and Breaker of Armies to wipe their board has potential but I mainly had problems ramping because people are actively removing your ramping tools the second they hit the board.
No worries, I'm not mad or anything. I think the rules are pretty clear.
Glad you like the idea. I need to play test it more, maybe I can use stronger low-cmc creatures rather than rampers