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varx

Regarding the Hullabaloo around Mickle's TMF

First of all, don't worry. I googled hullabaloo to make sure I spelled it correctly. Now that the event has passed and we're getting outtakes from head observers and wives, the conversation seems to be shifting less from the observer towards the rule itself. However, there's a clear alternative. Is it within the spirit of the game to accept the TMF penalty? We see AUDL players overturning calls made by refs, so what's the deal? Spirited or nah?

Posted Oct 5, 2015, 5:31 PM UTC

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aghesquiere•

We (Scandal) were awarded a yardage penalty against Riot in our Pool Play game because they were standing a foot over the player line. As a frequent encroacher of this line, and as a person who thought this was called too strictly by the observers, I tried to decline it. The observers would not allow us to decline the penalty. I'm not sure if it were tried in Jimmy's circumstance though.

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RIPRSD•

Solution: Discuss the following action with the opposing team, walk to the spot, check in the disc. Walk back to the original spot, wait for everyone to set, play on.

The observer can neither actively call the travel, nor enforce a stall count.

Alternative, pull the "soccer" move. Throw the disc to where it should be (pre-penalty). Have the other team walk to the disc, pick it up, and then drop it. Play on.

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thisisultimate•

I think if AUDL players can overturn the calls of referees (going for them), then USAU players should DEFINITELY be able to do the same considering observers have less power than refs anyways.

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Personage1•

Players can and do. First, observers can't even make most calls. However even the calls that observers make, and even when resolving a dispute, the call can be overturned to the detriment of the player choosing to do so (and I be level at the discretion of the observer). The misconduct system is not actually a call, as unless it is a PMF or ejection the observers don't stop play for it. They don't even stop play for yardage assessment.

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team-orange•

The observer manual states that the other team can elect to leave the disc where it is on a third TMF (I assume a third technical would work the same way). It does not, however, specify a "decline the penalty" option for a penalty assessed between points. I wonder how that would work.

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billsbailbonds•

very much agree. i'd like to think that if i were in that situation, i'd tell the observers to ignore it. if they wouldn't, after checking it in on the near brick i'd ask bravo defenders to throw the disc to the other brick, and start it like an out of bounds pull.

i admit that that would be difficult to do in a close elimination game, but i'd hope thats what i'd do.

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bux34•

But Machine didn't know the situation surrounding the technical. For all they knew, Bravo had cursed about one of their players or the observers. I don't think you can ask that the other team take the time to figure out exactly why the technical was called, especially in an elimination game on game point.

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Villanelle84•

For that matter, they may not even have known it was a language TMF.

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