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parallel_ux

Cleric bugged recently?

[Question]

When I SCH, I'm pretty much in Cleric unless I really, really have to manually heal. Recently I found that, for example if I queued up Broil, Broil, Cleric off, Adlo, Physick, I would end up with Cleric'd heals, dafuqqqqq. It never used to be like this.

I thought my button presses were becoming too fast so I created a macro with echo: Stance Swap <se.10> and saw it went off but still stuck in Cleric in some instances. I discussed it with a WHM guildmate and he said he has been noticing it too. Anyone else having the same problem?

Update: I've tested it further, using macro'd Echo Cleric, normal Cleric, Cleric with WTFast running, Cleric on wifi, Cleric on wired connection, Cleric at a different house and it seems normal Cleric with a long press (and checking the status icon disappear on the bar) seems the best way, for me at least. Might take a split second longer but it makes my snap heals a little bit more reliable. As for the cause of the problem who knows? Lag spike, weird server ticks, backend changes to the code or ...Gremlins. Yeah, definitely Gremlins.

Posted Dec 18, 2015, 1:05 AM UTC · edited

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ArmyrRymia•

I experienced something similar when leveling my sch today but I put it down to me being shit

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Lunetouche•

This is usually caused by small lag spikes. Know the pain of laggy MCHs :p

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cinaedhvik[Archon Cina] on [Midgardsormr]•

Have noticed it. I call it "sticky button". You hit it and nothing happens so you hitagain and get stuck in stance. It is a lag problem and there have been recent lag issues on NA servers during prime time. Until that's fixed just watch for it.

Edit: i don't macro abilities. The queue time is registered off because of lag.

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Dianwei32Vysalia Karos on Famfrit•

I thought my button presses were becoming too fast so I created a macro with echo: Stance Swap <se.10> and saw it went off but still stuck in Cleric in some instances.

That doesn't mean anything. A macro will still play chat lines even if the preceding actions were unsuccessful. I used a Hallowed Ground macro for a while on Paladin, and it would play the /p message all the time even if the ability didn't go off all the time.

I haven't noticed any issues with Cleric Stance and I've been doing a good deal of healing recently.

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BevralBevral Ranstred on Behemoth•

No, doesnt feel any different.

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desufinTotori Tori•

Cleric failing to toggle on/off is usually caused by two things:

  • You have it on a macro and tried to queue it. This will NEVER work as macros cannot be queued.
  • You tried to queue it too soon. Queuing abilities is partially latency based and GCD based.

Even oGCD abilities don't queue perfectly mid-GCD depending on your latency (generally speaking, the earlier you try to queue, the more likely it is to fail) and in the case of using multiple oGCD in a row, don't mash em at the same time as the game will queue them but usually wait for the full animation whereas you can usually trigger them faster by pressing mid-animation.

If your issues are recent, might be related to EU servers migration to Germany if you are on EU as latency most likely changed depending on your location.

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2722010[First] [Last] on [Server]•

Pretty much this.
If you queued cleric stance after broil you have to wait for it to start casting. It seems you're hitting adloq early so you cancel the queued cleric stance. I've had 0 issues turning off cleric stance lately.

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rooknoire[Lamia]•

I've had this happen a lot recently too.

I'll click off Cleric's, heal, then notice it is still on.

Very irritating. It is making me leery about going into Cleric's during my Thordan Ex learning parties.

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prefinished*_*•

I've had "sticky Clerics" since 3.0 launched. I just figured something was adjusted on the backend. Mostly I just give it an extra half second pause and it seems to take care of it.

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shuopaoAria Shadowlace of Gilgamesh•

Same here, and I've heard others comment. I'm pretty sure ability timing on the server side was changed slightly - you can't queue it quite as early perhaps now. I've mostly adjusted.

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Iffy_Placebo•

Yeah, I've lost a tank or two because I hit the button and started hitting lustrate with no effect. Look up and Cleric Stance never cancelled.

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DavThoma[Davryn] [Thoma] on [Siren]•

I hadn't really noticed, but it would explain a lot of occurances where my heals haven't seemed to make much of a change.

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gurosebe•

i've not had any issues with clerics lately, but you really should avoid using macros. even if it's just for testing purposes, you can't queue up skills with macros, so it won't work in the first place

that said, i have noticed something that i THINK is going on weird with clerics. sometimes when i turn clerics off and hit essential dignity, it feels like it's only healing for the cleric'd amount. i don't really have any evidence as to whether or not this is actually the case or if i'm just being paranoid, but it might be worth testing to see if turning off clerics and using an ogcd heal in the same between-gcd window affects the cure potency

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parallel_uxOPDash on Tonberry•

Ah I only macro'd the /echo notification with the sound part so it's obvious when I hit the button. not several skills/spells queued up - no way! I do everything manually! XD

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ChiyoBailaSera Leta on Adamantoise•

That's not what they meant by queue up.

By putting ANY skill in a macro, it instantly makes it no longer work with the in-game system for skill queueing, which is in place to compensate for lag. Even if that macro was literally JUST

/ac "Broil" <t>

That would still break skill queuing.

So if you have a macro with cleric stance, and you hit it during ANY part of the animation for another skill / spell, it wouldn't queue up, and wouldn't cast Cleric Stance.

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parallel_uxOPDash on Tonberry•

I'm just trying things out coz the usual way I've been doing it (hitting non-macro'd Cleric) isn't fool proof. I don't wanna just sit here n not try things :S

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2722010[First] [Last] on [Server]•

You can't queue macros, so hitting it before broil ends casting does nothing.

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rpzky8wannabefisherman•

macro doesn't work in queues.

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DisplacedLondonerRynia Tenendora on Shiva•

Now you mention it, I've noticed the same with a few heals. If I turn off cleric and immediately throw a tetra sometimes it looks like it just doesn't heal, might be doing cleric heal potency =/

Mind you, I've also noticed the server eating a few heals here and there lately, but that might just be my tanks' internet =P

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reDust•

I've noticed this on my WHM this week.

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ssalp[Astarme Alsar] on [Cerberus]•

Can't say I noticed, but the server has been lagging quite heavily today. All of the people in my linkshells experienced the same thing so maybe it's that?

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IspanoLFWMelfina Amastacia on Excalibur•

You ARE queueing Cleric to turn off, right? I mean during that second Broil cast you're hitting Cleric then, right?

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parallel_uxOPDash on Tonberry•

No, i like to heal in cleric and dps without it coz im a rebel :P

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IspanoLFWMelfina Amastacia on Excalibur•

My focus was on queueing it. Not the actualy act of turning it off.

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parallel_uxOPDash on Tonberry•

Ah ok, yeah I get what you mean now. I may have pressed it too early buuuut, my stance dancing has hardly changed (and so is my play style). I never encountered this problem until recently - so just wondering why. Could be a number of factors, really. :/

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IspanoLFWMelfina Amastacia on Excalibur•

I was just making sure, ogcds can be queued right after the start of a cast and still work.

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aisu_strongultros•

had the same issue. just one more thing to fuck healers since 3.0 came out

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2722010[First] [Last] on [Server]•

Nope, just you not understanding how to use the skill queue properly.

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aisu_strongultros•

i know how to turn it off during a cast. i had sch and whm at 50 long before 3.0. and back then it always toggled when i hit it, now it sometimes doesnt

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vegettosky•

yes yes I've same problem , I thinked was my bad

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OneTrueChaikaCherry Harfang on Balmung•

I've had some weird issues like that since 3.1, but i've also had cases where clerics would come off(My status bar wouldn't have cleric stance.) but my heals would be 800 instead of 5k

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DisplacedLondonerRynia Tenendora on Shiva•

omg I wondered if it was just me. Haven't had a chance to ask my sch co-healer yet, but since Wednesday's patch Cleric has been awful for getting stuck. I thought I was just being derpy with the button presses but it's been happening too often for it to just be that. Decided not to dps at all in Savage last night just in case -_-

99% it's just lag somehow, but god knows.

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parallel_uxOPDash on Tonberry•

At one point didn't Yoshi-P say he wants healers to heal more? maybe it's his passive-aggressive way of telling us...

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Me1fice[Tala] on Creberus•

Nothing ever changed. That's most probably lag spikes, which you can experience only this way.

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zegotaVitreia Makram on Excalibur•

I've had this issue as well, but it's really difficult to tell if it's a new problem with this 3.1, an issue with lag, or just a few people simultaneously experiencing a fairly common healer error.

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Snoctopus•

Noticed this on SCH last night as well. Can confirm this appears to be happening.

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