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fooZar

Slovenia will vote on same-sex marriage on Sunday

We were having a bit of a breakdown on this sub when Ireland voted in favour, but I have not seen any coverage whatsoever regarding our referendum. The wind in the sails from Ireland kind of propelled the left-wing to launch another attempt, seeing as the previous one in 2012 was defeated. They pushed a law essentially allowing SSM and same-sex adoption through the parliament and a massive initiative began to organize a referendum. Although we were shut down by the courts in a few days, it was eventually overriden.

The support is split about halfway and the "against" vote also has to contend with gathering enough overall percentage of the electorate. It may go down to the wire and every vote. Please keep my nation in your prayers as you did for Ireland.

Posted Dec 20, 2015, 1:16 AM UTC

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Hormisdas•

If Slovenia votes in favor of SSM, she will be praised for her "progress" and "voting for love;" if she votes against it, she will be called "backward" and "bigoted" and dismissed as eternally "intolerant."

Funny how it works, isn't it? I will pray for you all tonight.

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CarmineCerise•

Funny how it works, isn't it?

I don't get what's funny? They're being labeled based on their actions? Is there supposed to be some hypocrisy there.

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CATHOLIC_EXTREMIST•

uh-oh, where were we linked from?

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CATHOLIC_EXTREMIST•

Your useless comment would not have 4 upvotes if we weren't being brigaded.

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sfacets•

Have you tried prayer?

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lostsemicolon•

Nah, I'm going to side with u/CarmineCerise; I have no idea what u/Hormisdas is getting at.

The formulation is If A then they'll say B. If Not A then they'll say Not B.

If you post something Orthdox in r/Catholicism you'll be upvoted for it, If you post something Heterodox or Heretical you'll be downvoted. That's the same formulation and there's really nothing funny about how that works.

The comment seems like it's just, "DAE Worldlies gonna Worldly."

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Hormisdas•

My point was that most of them are not thinking one thought about Slovenia, and have no opinion on the country. How fast an opinion will be formed, though, when they hear the news of the election. And not about the outcome, about the Slovenians themselves.

The Slovenians will be a bad people if they vote against it, not just have made a bad decision.

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CarmineCerise•

reddit.com?

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CATHOLIC_EXTREMIST•

Ah, found it. You know brigading is against Reddit's rules, right?

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Chi_Rho88•

Yes, r/Christianity doesn't seem to care too much about it.

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Hormisdas•

What a surprise. I regret every time I make the mistake of wading back into that cesspit. They have systematically rejected everything "Christian" about them.

Edit: I did make the mistake (despite knowing better) in the thread on r/Christianity. Just confirms what I thought.

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Fahrenheit_616•

I remember what made me stop going there, someone told me that r/Christianity was for "Discussing Christianity" not a "Safe space for Christians"

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Hormisdas•

Yep, that's since they conceded so much ground to the atheists both in their moderation and in their community. It's outrageous.

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Chi_Rho88•

The craziest thing is that there is a sub-reddit called r/OpenChristian which is apparently more liberal. Can you imagine what that is like?

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Fahrenheit_616•

I mean, screw us for wanting legitimate religious discussion without someone who doesn't believe, amirite? That's obviously just an echo chamber.

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US_Hiker•

since they conceded so much ground to the atheists both in their moderation and in their community.

That's actually why it was created.

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Chi_Rho88•

There are genuine posters there looking for genuine answers, you just sometimes have to wade through a lot of shit to find them.

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paradocent•

What's the point? I mean, not to sound flip, but why is it worth it?

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Chi_Rho88•

1 Peter 3:15.

We must give all seekers of truth the answer, even if we have to stroll through a field of insincerity and even if it causes us inconvienience or even costs our lives. God commands us to.

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Bejeweled_Bird•

There was no breakdown, the other subreddits came in here and started mocking us like we were freaking out and we were the calm ones.

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Hormisdas•

"OH LOOK THEIR CALMLY SAYING THAT THEY WILL PRAY FOR YOU'RE COUNTRY MUST BE BECAUSE THERE FREAKING OUT."

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YoshiYogurt•

Why are non-religous gays being told what they can/can't do? "Yea we really imposed our religion on people who don't care!!"

If we're going to try and be in favor of theocratic laws, we should be campaigning to make divorce, sex outside of marriage, and birth control illegal.

I'm going to get bombarded, but this is one hypocritical thing among several reasons I doubt I'll ever be a pure/whole Catholic. Such is the struggle.

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forthewar•

If we're going to try and be in favor of theocratic laws, we should be campaigning to make divorce, sex outside of marriage, and birth control illegal.

Yeah buddy nearly everyone you find here wants all those things to be illegal

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Szkwarek•

That's disappointing. I hope it doesn't represent a significant percentage of my fellow catholics around the world.

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JeSuisCatholique•

You're not a Catholic. Your most recent post is literally

I'm an atheist, how the fuck can i mock atheists or non-beliefs? I mock uneducated idiots, of all creeds.

I suggest you leave this sub because you have openly perjured yourself and admitted to pretending to be something you aren't in order to score political points.

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Szkwarek•

If I don't support a Shariah-style theocracy that punishes people who sin, despite Christ telling us not to judge lest we be judged, or nit to throw the first stone? I'm the catholic, your kind is the muslims by nature who happened to grow in a catholic environment. Islam's oppression and self-important judgments suit you much more than forgiving and loving Christianity. You just haven't realised it.

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YoshiYogurt•

i think you meant illegal but yea, the only reason gay "marriage" gets shot down is because they are such a minority.

Divorce, birth control, sex isn't illegal because everyone is sinning and doing it.

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thrasumachos•

I for one think birth control should be legal (except for the potentially abortifacient ones). Birth control is a personal moral issue, and while I personally disapprove of it, and would not counsel someone to use it, I can't see too many grounds for it being illegal, any more than I can see grounds for premarital sex being illegal. I think no-fault divorce and gay marriage, however, should not be allowed, because they aren't just about a person's private life anymore, but about the family in relation to society, and, in the case of gay marriage, about the government attempting to define things which it lacks the power to define. I'm also opposed to the concept of a right to marriage and the precedent it sets.

I also recognize that there are numerous rights associated with marriage that gay couples do deserve equal protection for. The right solution for this, however, is not extending marriage to same-sex couples, but rather eliminating the farce and complicated mess of civil marriage and replacing it with a system of temporary and permanent civil partnerships, which one could enter into multiple of, and one could enter into regardless of the nature of the relationship. (i.e., make them open to relationships other than the spousal relationship). These shouldn't have the benefits marriage has, but should offer things like hospital visitation, power of attorney, etc., and should not depend on the presence of a romantic or sexual relationship.

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ceildric•

I'll be praying for you guys.

I really wish there was a proper Catholic alert network for gathering large scale prayer campaigns for things like this. We have all kinds of social media alerts and email "blasts" for secular matters but no coordinated organization that stays up to date on votes or court cases or other significant events that are going on worldwide which need mass prayers.

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whiskd•

Not centralised, but the agency closest to what you're after is CFAM who are based in the UN building in New York. They have a the standard facebook page and weekly email.

There's also ADF International Their facebook page is mainly a "share this image" type thing so I ignore it. They have more of a European focus.

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ceildric•

Thanks for those links, I will check them out.

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PM_ME_YOUR_FOOTSOCKS•

Praying for your country. I advise that you guys ask all the saints(including our Blessed Mother) to pray for Slovenia. Their intercessions will help enormously.

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slavicswimmer•

The land of my ancestors. I just prayed my prayer rope without an intention, thanks for giving me one. I really hope Slovenia doesn't choose to embrace the destruction of the West. Stay strong.

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ilovelamp42•

Calling marriage equality 'the destruction of the west' is too extreme, and makes you sound like the WBC and other hate groups. Obviously it has no tangible harm on society besides on moral grounds, which are still rather disputed(but becoming less disputed, unfortunately)

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JeSuisCatholique•

Calling gay "marriage" 'marriage equality' is too extreme, and makes you sound like the HRC and other hate groups.

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ilovelamp42•

How can a group dedicated to expanding civil rights be characterized as a hate group? Give me one example of their hate speech

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JeSuisCatholique•

They're dedicated to destroying the western family and advocating for the promotion of sinful lifestyles. I consider that hate, hate for God. I and other people with common sense don't consider false marriage to be a "civil right", either. It's kind of funny that one of their founders was a rapist who paid off his victim and it just got whitewashed and ignored in the press.

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latinnn•

People kind of go to hell...it's like allowing Satan to destroy us. Calling Satan to destroy us isn't my cup of tea.

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Szkwarek•

And what exactly makes you think people who aren't engaging in same sex marriage would go to hell if some do it in their country? Is sin now transferable to those near you? Do the neighbours of someone who disrespects his parents pay for his sin as well?

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poland_catholic•

Once SSM becomes legal the government/people involved in it try to push it onto everyone else. By doing that they're taking others "down with them" both in a figurative and literal sense.

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ceildric•

You are your brother's keeper, and responsible for feeding him (spiritually here) as well. This means we are both responsible for keeping others from being led to believe lies (that certain sins are socially acceptable, and thus ok).

Cultural norms have a large impact on many people's sense of reality, especially the young, who are yet forming beliefs. To grow up in a culture which presupposes certain lies as truths is to handicap those children.

Furthermore, if you look at scripture, there is repeated evidence of communities facing chastisement so when a majority (but surely not all) of the people turned to sin. Surely there was a remnant of true worshippers of God as the whole of the Israelites were led away in chains to Babylon for the idolatry of the many.

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latinnn•

Well if u say everyone can marry each other u are encouraging same sex marriage so by allowing it legally you are guilty of their sin. Demaciado..

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loukaspetourkas•

Orthodox neighbour from a country a little south. We're praying for you guys.

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fr-joshPriest, so watch out•

Hello, Philip of Macedon!

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loukaspetourkas•

More akin to Czar Dušan of Serbia ;)

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fr-joshPriest, so watch out•

You're making your own patriarchate?

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loukaspetourkas•

Can't be an emperor without a patriarchate :^)

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Slenderauss•

I pray that everything goes well for your country. I am particularly fond of Eastern and Central European countries, especially in how they have generally preserved their culture well and don't often bow to social pressure.

"No one can have less rights because of love."

Everyone has exactly the same rights. Marriage rights just happen to be limited to the opposite sex. It's not like segregation, where a group actually has civil rights withheld from them in particular.

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acrostyphe•

We are actually a Central European country ;)

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Slenderauss•

My mistake, thanks for pointing it out.

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Hormisdas•

Were you able to vote in the election?

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Jon889•

Everyone has exactly the same rights. Marriage rights just happen to be limited to the opposite sex.

I'm genuinely asking you to clarify this. Two people not being able to get married means that when one is sick, the doctors won't tell the other anything, or ask them when any decisions need to be made. Let's say two people of the same sex have been living together for 30 years, where they live they can't get married. The one who is sick hasn't talked to his family in at least 30 years. The family decides to override a DNR ( the sickness is terminal and they just wish to pass naturally), despite it being the wish of the sick person. The partner has no ability to override this, despite having spent so many years together. Now if the partner was of the opposite sex and had got married, this wouldn't be a problem. The rights are not the same, and it's because they weren't able to get married in the eyes of the state.

There are many other rights that come with being married, to do with pensions, compensation and child rights.

I'm not trying to persuade you to accept gay marriage or say your "backwards" as some people have said about others with anti-LGBT views in these threads.its my opinion that marriage in the eyes of the state/law, should be allowed between anyone (who consents, is of the age to be able to consent, and is not related such genetics could be an issue), but any religious institute should be allowed to decide by themselves which marriages they want to perform in their buildings. I'm just asking how you can say everyone has the same rights, while marriage is limited to the opposite sex.

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ScoobeydoobeyNOOB•

Aren't the gays a civil group whose rights are being withheld because YOU disagree with their lifestyle?

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ScoobeydoobeyNOOB•

Humans should have the right to marry whomever they wish, barring a few relationships--siblings: genetic issues, children to adults, etc--due to reasons other than "because I don't like it" or "the bible says so" which it doesn't really.

If your rebuttal is "well why don't you support people marrying then" then I'd call you a bigot because you'd be equating human beings to animals.

Just because it is a man-made concept does not disqualify it as a basic human right. Would you say that being free from slavery is a basic human right--as stated by the UN--because it is certainly man-made.

So yes, I'd say it is a basic human right that is being infringed upon, regardless of whether or not is man-made

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ilovelamp42•

So would you support civil unions which afford gay couples with the same rights as a traditional marriage? That's essentially what the U.S. did on 14th amendment and civil rights grounds, and naming it 'marriage' was essentially semantics.

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loukaspetourkas•

It seems that we won. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuropeElects?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Europe Elects twitter has said the final count is in with 63 percent voting against same sex marriage.

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ceildric•

Great news, thanks for giving an update :)

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.

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loukaspetourkas•

Do they say Slava Bogu in Slovenian?

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ceildric•

I am not sure... I am not Slovenian, sorry.

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loukaspetourkas•

We will need to ask a resident slovenian here, how to say glory unto God in their langauge.

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ilovelamp42•

Surprising that Europe hasn't achieved full marriage equality when the U.S. is almost always behind on progressive social movements

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