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GLXY

Collusion or just a bad trade? Need outside opinions

So this past week there was a trade made between the 5th ranked team (8-5) and 9th ranked team (4-6-3). #9 is three wins out from the last play-off spot with 6 weeks left. #5 has five goalies on his roster and none of them are great. #9 has two pretty good goalies but is lacking on D. Our league settings: 12 teams made up of 3 RW, 3C, 3LW, 5D, 2G and 5 Bench with 2 IR spots. We have G, A, ATOI, Shots, Blocks, Hits, +/-, Special Teams Points, Wins, GAA and SV%. Top 6 teams make the play-offs.

5 traded Talbot (Edm, G) and Tanev (Van, D) for 9's Lundqvist (NYR, G). This caused an uproar from three owners, and the two loudest about the trade are #1 and #2 overall.

Here are the stats to look at:

Season Stats:

Player | GS| Wins| GA| SV| Min| GAA| SV%| ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- Lundqvist | 33 | 18 | 84| 942| 1986| 2.54 | .918 | Talbot | 21| 7 | 59 | 591 | 1274 | 2.78 | .909 |

Player | G | A | +/- | ATOI | SOG | HIT | BLK | STP ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- Tanev | 2 | 6 | 2 | 21:32 | 22 | 13 | 98 | 1

I looked into it because of possible collusion. At first I believed it was collusion, until it was pointed out to me that the goalies' recent stats are far different from their season long stats. In fact, I was against the Lundqvist owner this week and the only reason he played Lundqvist was because he needed to get to the minimum 3 goalie starts.

Last 30 Days Stats:

Player | GS| Wins| GA| SV| Min| GAA| SV%| ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- Lundqvist | 10 | 4 | 38 | 255 | 602| 3.78 | .870 | Talbot | 9| 4 | 20 | 280 | 535 | 2.24 | .933 |

After seeing that I realized he was most likely panicking and selling Lundqvist off and the other owner was just buying him cheap. Taking name value out of the equation, it's not the best trade, but it could be seen as #9 making a big move in hopes of getting some good goalie play now. He can't really wait for Lundqvist to right the ship as he needs to be winning all the weeks he can in order to give himself a shot at the play-offs. #9's other goalie is Varlamov. I let the trade go through as after taking a look at it, it didn't look like collusion to me. In fact, #5 had offered three players for Lundqvist but #9 turned it down due to not enough roster room. What are your opinions? Just a dumb trade or collusion?

Further stuff: Now that the trade went through, #2 overall (and last year's winner) approached me and has said he's out and that I can set his line-up for him. This is a league where there had been a total of 1 trade before this, so I feel like too much regulation will damper future trading.

Posted Jan 11, 2016, 2:48 AM UTC

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Jonathan-CraneJohn Klingberg•

Dumb trade most likely, surprised Tanev is even rostered in a 12 man.

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AnalSavage•

I'm in a 10 man and tanev is a top FA I see it

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Blues88•

The leaders in your league seem insecure and pissy.

The Rangers have regressed HARD. Lundqvist has underwhelmed, but this is the same story every year where he has to shoulder the load and drag the team along. He's not young, he's taken some bumps, he's not great right now.

Tanev is a block machine. That's his only value. I get the sense that the guys who are trading, either one of both of them don't have a great feel for fantasy yet, and are trying to get too specialized and are making some knee jerk deals.

What I don't see is any real evidence for collusion. Lundqvist isn't going to put 5 over the top in any but the deepest leagues, and that's if his team can bang out wins for him. He's still 5th with 5! goalies, so that should tell you something.

Adios to #2 if he's going to be so soft about it. Kind of embarrassing, really.

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GLXYOP•

Thanks for the analysis of it. The #9 guy needs the blocks and he only has 2 D that are over 20:00min atoi. Tanev gives him another.

I agree with pretty much everything you said and it's nice to see some reasoning behind it, instead of just "this trade sucks." I think the guys in my league are using the veto button as a way to disagree with a bade trade instead of only if there's collusion.

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Habsfan08•

Soooo you have an open GM spot???

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GLXYOP•

Haha we've actually got a list of people waiting of a spot opens, sorry. I'm pretty sure it's just a temper tantrum and he'll keep playing.

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chemistgonewild•

Veto. Insanely stupid trade.

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MooseHead88•

Stupid trades and/or bad trades happen.

The Washington Capitals can't veto trading away Fillip Forsberg to Nashville. Neither can Columbus in acquiring David Clarkson. Always use the NHL as a benchmark: if they can't do something like that, neither should your league.

The manager in second is incredibly short sighted in this regard. Just because something didn't go their way should not result in them quitting. GMs have real relationships which make they take advantage of for trades. There is nothing wrong with that at all. I'm sure many teams are interested in acquiring Drouin, but Yzerman is smart to avoid trading with a divisional rival. Montreal doesn't deserve a player like that because they have a fair trade. It's to Tampa's advantage that Montreal doesn't become stronger with their asset, unless Yzerman can gain a significant advantage over Montreal.

Good on you for looking into Lunqvist's recent performance. Rangers were due for a regression and it's happening. GMs make desperate moves if they have no patience. On average, a fantasy team won't win every matchup in the season and if someone panics over that, then that's their fault.

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chemistgonewild•

For the sake of the integrity of the fantasy league, one stupid manager shouldn't be able to ruin the league for everyone. Completely one sided trades like the one above should always be vetoed. Tanev and Talbot for Lundqvist? Give me a break.

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GLXYOP•

The guy in #9 does need the ATOI Tanev gets as well as his blocks. He only has 2 defenseman with above 20 minutes on average. In comparison to the rest of the league that's awful, and to be fair, his whole defensive corps is terrible. He recently hasn't been playing Lundqvist at all either.

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