[Discussion] The persistence of Etymological manipulation in politics and philosophy by the ideological left.

I'd like to have some discussion regarding the title and I'd like to coin a new phrase.

Let's first talk about what etymology is in case some people don't know. Most simply, etymology is the study of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history. How today the word "gay" means something entirely different than it did in the 1920's.

That being understood one can see how the manipulation of history can lead to control and thus the domination of arguments and as a result philosophy. I find it apparent the ideological left is most guilty of manipulating words so they can be disassociated with the past, associate others with a false history, or even force people into argument that detracts from the subject matter. I'd like to look at some obvious cases of this now.

First, the most obvious case I think we're all familiar with is the the term liberal, which for centuries was associated with what is now called "classical liberalism", but is today associated closely and nearly inseparably with the ideological left. This happened as a result of a slow co-option by progressives in the FDR era. This is pretty commonly know so I'm not going to delve very deeply here, but this is when Mencken and Nock first began to call themselves libertarians.

Next most famously, and connected with the following example, is the term isolationism to refer to non-interventionism. This purposeful misuse began by neo-conservatives and most notably Bill Kristol. Seeking to associate the nation of North Korea with a more reserved foreign policy, Kristol intentionally misused and continues to mis-use the term "isolationist" to refer to non-interventionists much to the displeasure of a great many people, and to his advantage of pushing a failed Wilsonian foreign policy.

Now let's take a quick look at "neoconservative." The term has it's roots in the ideological left with Irving Kristol, a trotskyist who seeking to capitalize and reform the a movement based around trotskyism, but who found resistance following the rise of the USSR. As you can tell with even cursory research the conservative movement was taken over by neoconservative thought not 20 years later that eventually lead to both Bush presidencies, where Kristol was awarded the medal of freedom by George W Bush. George W Bush , being completely antithetical to the ideas of what was widely considered conservatism at the time prior to the rise of Kristol. Most notably the ideas of gun control, expanding government education to the point of creating no child left behind, and the troubled asset relief program.

The people now called "paleoconservatives" should rightly be enraged by this.

Fourth, let's talk about the term "State Capitalism" to associate communist countries like the USSR and China with capitalism and the free market. This has been done as far back as the USSR. This phrase has been used by everyone from trotskyists and Maoists to Anarcho-communists. It's use is mostly in deference to the argument "it's not true communism", as a defense of communist ideas, and as a false "cooperation" with capitalist ideals.

Ludwig Von Mises himself commented on this phenomena saying:

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism—until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."

The last and final example(though there are a great many more) is closer to home, "classical libertarian" is on the rise among communists on the internet to conflate libertarianism with the 19th century political movement started by the communist Joseph Dejacque. Dejacque himself appropriated this term from William Belsham, a left leaning determinist who labeled those who believed in free will as libertarians. Dejacque never used the term libertarian to describe a philosophy, yet still the ideological left seems hell bent on doing to libertarianism what they did to what is now "classical" liberalism and "paleo" conservatism. This is no doubt a method of co-opting the the ideas and discussions around libertarianism into a platform for the ideological left, not to mention a basic logical fallacy called the etymological fallacy.

This is somewhat related to what Orwell described as "double speak." That term unfortunately, thanks to conspiracy theorists, is seen to have negative "tin foil hat" connotations and doesn't relate to the intentional use of this language to further political agendas or co-opt ideas. Though the idea is frighteningly prescient.

I'd instead like to posit the phrase "Etymological terrorism." While some may see this as a bit sensationalist, or even guilty of double speak itself, i think it's important to fight fire with fire. I'm being careful to not choose a word that's already in use to avoid doing the same thing here that I'm accusing others of doing, but in essence double speak used as a tool for political gain is Etymological terrorism.

Terrorism itself is defined as the use of violent acts to frighten the people as a way of trying to further a political agenda. While etymological terrorism is the intentional misuse or appropriation of term to confuse people as a way to further a political agenda.

Posted Feb 20, 2016, 7:56 PM UTC

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anon338Anarcho-capitalist biblical kritarchy•

This verbal aggression also happened very quickly with the Harney County armed protest. The Left and the establishment quickly branded the protestors as terrorists. The whole State program of repression against domestic dissent uses Etymological subversion to brand dissenters as domestic terrorists.

Etymological subversion is also the key attack that leftists use against leftist dissenters. For example, they call dissenters revisionists, to disparage their development of Marxist theory. Very quickly they appropriate the revisionists terms and subvert them to imply a "bourgeois" principle or "capitalist" underlying assumption. For example, when Marcuse used some reinterpreted Freudian insights to argue for the psychological effects of capitalism, marxists accused him of using bourgeois psychology and becoming anti-Marxist.

Common etymological attacks were also perpetrated against dissenting religious groups. When Protestants reacted against compulsory teaching of evolutionism in the early 20th century, the media and establishment quickly turned "fundamentalism" into a term of hatred, associated it wrongly with the Prohibition and other discredited social liberal political programs.

The Confederate flag controversy can be seen as an extended form of cultural subversion.

The whole Marxist theory and especially its criticism of capitalism is filled with these attacks. Capitalism is redefined as a system of state-sponsored exploitation, instead of being simply trade and exchange. Wage-labor is redefined to be a forceful obligation, instead of a contract. Entrepeneurs and capitalists are redefined to be passive exploiters instead of risk-takers, watchful planners and creators of opportunities and trade.

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LOST_TALEGalactic Virtue Supremacist•

We need to be ruthless. But many here wanna kiss the devil.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

I fear this is a problem as well, way to many wanted to "bring in" the leftist element and now we can neither change them nor get rid of them.

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R_HakIndividualist - Don't Tread on Me!•

"classical libertarian" is on the rise among communists on the internet

Note, all the downvotes for libertarians, and upvotes for the Socialists.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

Hey I'm in there! lol

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anon338Anarcho-capitalist biblical kritarchy•

Etymological terrorism is a bit too offensive, very useful in most public exchanges, but not as useful in a thoughtful, reasonable and informed write up as your discussion. An excellent name to use in such setting is Etymological subversion.

Etymological subversion is also a cultural campaign based on marxist principles. It follows marxist revisionist principles like those applied by the Frankfurt School and Gramscism.

Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Subversion (Latin subvertere: overthrow) refers to a process by which the values and principles of a system in place are contradicted or reversed. More specifically, subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and, "the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols. Following penetration, and parallel with the forced disintegration of political and social institutions of the state, these loyalties may be detached and transferred to the political or ideological cause of the aggressor".[1] Subversion is used as a tool to achieve political goals because it generally carries less risk, cost, and difficulty as opposed to open belligerency. Furthermore, it is a relatively cheap form of warfare that does not require large amounts of training.[2] A subversive is something or someone carrying the potential for some degree of subversion. In this context, a "subversive" is sometimes called a "traitor" with respect to (and usually by) the government in power.

This wikipedia text suggests new line of terms, Etymological aggression, Etymological aggressor, Etymological treason, Etymological traitor, Etymological betrayal, Etymological warfare, Etymological warrior, Etymological coward and Etymological politician.

Each has a different degree of accusatory implication or provokation. You can easily build an argument progressing through the most reasonable to the most accusative. All the terms are not just insults but apt descriptions also.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

Etymological terrorism is a bit too offensive, very useful in most public exchanges, but not as useful in a thoughtful, reasonable and informed write up as your discussion. An excellent name to use in such setting is Etymological subversion.

I agree with this. I think places online would be much more amenable to the terrorist branding and even non substantive discussion forums like twitter would benefit from the use, but from a purely academic background the use of "subversive" would probably be more appropriate.

From a purely propagandistic view point however I think terrorism invokes an easy mental picture for uninformed masses to grasp onto and using terrorism against neocons has it's own mental benefit. ha

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anon338Anarcho-capitalist biblical kritarchy•

Yes, you got my idea. But even in polemics and provokative discourse, in online discussions, terrorism can be excessive, for example when the crowd is already antagonistic to you. Using the other terms you can build momentum and support until you can make the more overt accusation.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

Yeah I get what you're saying. Maybe I'm just stuck on it because I like the idea of calling Bill Kristol a terrorist. lol

Regardless, I definitely think this behaviour needs to be called out more don't you think?

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anon338Anarcho-capitalist biblical kritarchy•

Yes, it is one of the main tactics of politics in general.

There are definitely many people that can aptly be described as traitors and terrorists, but they have too much political power and allies for you to do so directly. Just see what happen when you criticize State agents or prestigious intellectuals.

Calling it out with more nuanced and reasonable language is already an effective step. You can learn a lot by seeing how many activists, intellectuals and determined individuals always criticized the damaging effects of state welfare on minorities. Then they exposed how it cause social strife and harmed individuals. They continued to show how it benefited politicians and the establishment. Today we can expose most welfare supporters with simple terms, call them out for race-baiting, superficial sympathy and destroying the moral fabric of blacks.

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R_HakIndividualist - Don't Tread on Me!•

This is exactly the point.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

wow another perfect example right there.

That's why while modern Social Democracy is not socialism, it's definitely because of socialism.

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HhturaProceed not from theory•

I notice you provide no argument for why state capitalism is an inappropriate term for what it describes, which was consistent with our understanding of the capitalist mode of production before the term's development.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

The basic definition of capitalism is an economic system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit to the benefit of them and the consumers, rather than by and for the state.

Thus "State capitalism" is itself an oxymoron which has been debunked by Rothbard and Mises, I didn't think it needed more explanation, so that's my fault.

You can read more about it in:

Egalitarianism as a revolt against Nature and other essays
By Rothbard

and

Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
By Von Mises

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HhturaProceed not from theory•

Yes, it's meant to be an oxymoron, meaning "capitalism, but in which the state has replaced the capitalist." The adjective "state" indicates the point of departure from simply "capitalism." This doesn't make it an illegitimate term.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

This doesn't make it an illegitimate term.

Argue with Von Mises then.
You're being ridiculous.

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HhturaProceed not from theory•

I don't care what Mises says lol.

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urdaughtersacutieactually, freedom mostly -is- free.•

Well, I can fix one of these...

Fourth, let's talk about the term "State Capitalism" to associate communist... like the USSR...

  • the means of production were privately owned. (go edit the wikipedia article if you don't support private ownership).

  • they were not owned by the workers who used them (socialism in manufacturing)

  • they were not operated as public-access (communism)

Incidentally, there's nothing "revisionist;" Lenin described the private ownership by the government as state capitalism before he implemented it, and describes his troubles fighting with the communists.

Sooo... no. You're going to lose this one. The USSR was a capitalist state, according to both the "private v. worker ownership v. public" axis and the people who set it up that way.

Sorry. I don't think anyone calls it a free market, though.

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BastiatFanBastiat•

Lenin described the private ownership by the government as state capitalism

So by this reasoning the state is a private entity? What sort of entity, then, would be public?

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urdaughtersacutieactually, freedom mostly -is- free.•

So by this reasoning the state is a private entity?

Come now, how much do you really believe this "we're the people" nonsense? ;)

A private corporation which believes it owns all the land. And maintains private security forces.

What sort of entity, then, would be public?

A functional commons. Because of the "what about sabotage" issues, this is likely fictional in its full form. In its lesser form, it can be found (partially) by practicing illegalism with government managed lands (don't be a rancher), or imagining a public park in a freakishly libertarian society...

Your library is likely privately-owned, but tries to conduct itself as a public reading room.

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BastiatFanBastiat•

A private corporation which believes it owns all the land. And maintains private security forces.

Well, yeah, but I'm an ancap. It just seems strange to twist the language around so that "ownership by the state" isn't the same thing as "public ownership."

I guess we just need to look at the way the person intends to use the phrase. If someone says, "I'm with Bernie on this one; I support public ownership of the healthcare system," it's clear what they mean. Their public ownership is Lenin's private ownership exactly.

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urdaughtersacutieactually, freedom mostly -is- free.•

Yup.

But when a prosecutor says "the people versus," I don't believe them. Even if they have done something I think is heinous (and there is little), I still haven't heard of this person, and I am "the public;" one cannot have consensus of the public without me.

The state... is frequently seperate from the people. "Public" would look a lot like very nihlist, egoist anarchism, probably, and the nearest not-nonsensical form would look like a public park in a minarchist's paradise - do whatever, just leave it intact.

The state is obviously a private entity, as anyone who has tried to "avoid" a murder or theft charge and settle with the victims directly would be able to attest. "The right to face one's accuser" doesn't involve trying to settle with the accuser, it seems.

My understanding is that the shift occurred with William the Conqueror, who moved the legal system from restorative justice focused on compensating the victim, to "crimes against the king's peace," creating crimes without victims. Unfortunately, all I've found is preceding and postceding law.

If the government was public, the public would be able to exercise direct control. People wouldn't complain about policing policies, they'd say "you're fired" and tell their neighbor there's a job open. "You can't fight city hall" wouldn't be a saying. Anarchism wouldn't exist as a philosophy.

Barring the fact that it falls short of the statist-straw-man-of-anarchism... libraries are public. The sidewalk is public, if no one is looking. Parks are public, in a fairly libertarian state. But... I can't just walk in and start rewriting the law books, and there is a definite seperation between "the government" and the people it is trying to exploit. There's not even a "disband this thing" on the ballot, placing lie to the myth that governments are implemented by the nongovernment populace.

Just one of the more evil forms of private corporation out there...

Well, yeah, but I'm an ancap. It just seems strange to twist the language around so that "ownership by the state" isn't the same thing as "public ownership."

r/everyone_is_a_mod is as public as the system seems to allow. Any sub whose moderators have died is as public as the site-wide rules allow, possibly a little bit more.

Find me one way in which any government you can think of, outside the absence of governments, is meaningfully public.

Only the private can have a perverse interest in profiting through robbing the public.

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FormerlyFlintloxOP🇭🇴🇵🇵🇪•

The USSR was a capitalist state

I won't even seriously consider addressing you.

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urdaughtersacutieactually, freedom mostly -is- free.•

Odd that you use "address," rather than "seek to read," no?

shrug The state is a corporation. Whether or not one can escape it is the ethical question. Most states have no MoP, and thus no intersection with capitalism - although the US, pre-collapse, appeared to hold its primary function as the manufacture of little pamphlets and brochures. A state which seizes the MoP, or spends its time building its own, is a capitalist corporation - the MoP are privately held by the corporation.

shrug It's not that hard. Just get anarchist enough to stop believing in "magic," and it's obvious that the state is just the least ethical, most monopolist corporate entity.

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