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IntrepidSI

The first major cracks are forming in the Sanders Campaign. Looks like this might be the beginning of the end.

Fact #1: Voting levels are up 33% for the Republicans and Down 20% for the Democrats in Iowa, NH, NV and SC over 2008. Clearly "Feel the Bern" doesn't have as much support as "Hope and Change"

Fact #2: Hillary has more Super Delegates than Bernie. Hillary has been charming them for months. Why? In the end, Hillary is a Democrat. Bernie is an Independent who joined the party to become President. You're "one of the gang" but like Trump in the Republican party, you're "not one of us".

Bernie has support among many groups, but fails in others. Women, African Americans and even some of the Unions are now split, not consolidated as they were in 2008.

Unlike 2008, there is a large chunk (nearly 50% if he voting results are any indicator) of Democrats who don't support Bernie. No one, save the faithful in the DNC think that if Sanders doesn't get the nomination those votes will all go to Hillary, just as if Sanders had won Hillary's votes would go to him.

The cracks are forming, the "revolution" is beginning to fail and those who "feel the Bern" need to accept that fact.

I would like to say this makes me sad, but it really doesn't. Many of the Sanders Supporters are arrogant, condescending and lofty. You were jerks in success, let's see if you get more humble in defeat.

Posted Feb 22, 2016, 12:56 PM UTC

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Archibald_Papa•

Actually, Bernie won the female vote in NH, and consistently wins the female vote of 30 and younger. He is also much more favored to win against the republicans than Hillary.

And sorry you think we are jerks, I'm sure that was just a misrepresentation on the behalf of a few immature individuals who said some mean things. We are polite and courteous.

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jdw1979•

I think it's safe to say that the jerks, like in every group, are a loud minority. We'll thank you not to paint us all with the same brush.

Regarding fact 1, I got nothing...I hope we can turn it around.

Regarding fact 2, the super delegates will go with the popular vote, they did in '08.

A fact you missed, Hillary is under investigation by the FBI and that investigation isn't the result of partisan politics, she broke the law.

Yes, support for Bernie is divided, but it's early and he's gaining in the polls. I think it's premature to write him off entirely.

Lastly, I'm getting really sick of being talked down to just because I happen to support Bernie Sanders. There are just as many assholes pushing Hillary as there are "Bernie Bros" (a term invented by Hillary's campaign staff). Reddit is supposed to be about having discussions, not passive-aggressively asserting that I'm stupid or naive for not supporting same candidate as you.

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IntrepidSIOP•

the super delegates will go with the popular vote, they did in '08"

No they won't. Between Super Delegates and her wins, Hillary has 502 to Bernie's 70.

There is NO RULE that says the Supers have to vote with the popular. In fact, this rule was put in to keep challengers OUT.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

"A fact you missed, Hillary is under investigation by the FBI and that investigation isn't the result of partisan politics, "

Let's face it. If Bernie wasn't running, most Democrats couldn't give a shit. They would call it "Partisan" and excuse it.

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jdw1979•

You're mistaken. The super delegates aren't committed and won't be until the convention. And you're also mistaken about Democrats caring. I've read through several of those emails, and I certainly do care. I'd also venture to say I'm not the only one. Again, stop painting all Sanders supporters with the same brush.

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IntrepidSIOP•

"Superdelegates are "unpledged" in the sense that they themselves decide which candidate to support (in other words, they are not allocated according to voter preferences as the majority of delegates are). "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016

I don't think this explanation could be any clearer. Hillary is a Democrat. All the Super Delegates are Democrats. Bernie is an "Independent" running as a Democrat.

Again, he is in the club, but not "one of us".

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jdw1979•

Well, we can guess and assume all we want, but it's still conjecture. Sanders has promised to stick it out until the convention so I guess we'll just have to see.

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Jambox_Ready•

Democrats, in states where they can vote either party, and independents, are voting for Trump as a means to wreck Bush and Cruz by electing an unelectable idiot, Trump. In doing so, Bernie isn't getting the numbers he needs to push ahead of Hillary. She is the shoe-in, and he has pulled her left where she needed to go, but when elected she will govern RIGHT OF CENTER just like Obama did.

To many - it's "get Trump on the ticvkete" and wreck the GOP, because whether it's Hillary or Bernie any progressive is better than getting a Republican back in power. But watch the GOP try to torpedo Trump and rally behind Rubio - an unelectible too young right wing misogynist Christian fundy - because even the GOP can deal with a Hillary presidency the same way they dealt with Obama and her husband Bill. They have the strings, the goods, the means to control her.

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IntrepidSIOP•

by electing an un-electable idiot, Trump.

I am sure you're one of those people who told everyone around you every month, starting in August "This is it for him".

So you just keep on hoping and wishing.

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Jambox_Ready•

Yes, but starting earlier than in August. He will not know how to govern, he is a buffoon and a sociopath. I'm really sorry you are so delusional about the state of our country that you think you need to elect someone of his breed to "save you" from the situation you probably elected into Congress last go around. But so be it...onward we go as a nation pointing fingers and blaming everyone but ourselves.

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IntrepidSIOP•

"He will not know how to govern, he is a buffoon and a sociopath."

This is opinion and hyperbole, not fact.

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Jambox_Ready•

No, it is fact.

Have you heard him speak? He cannot articulate a single solitary idea about what he WILL do, he just calls people names and says "I'm great, you will be a winner like me" That is buffoonery, factual buffoonery, and governance of the entire US Federal ghovernment and the US Military requires far more ability to communicate than this. The fact you think he is capable "just because" says everything about how ignorant his followers truly are, and what a danger you represent to our democratic republic. You cannot name a single plan he has because he has not clearly stated a single plan.

How fucking dangerous is that!?

"Oh we're gonna beat ISIS...!

Really, stupid fuck, HOW??????

I'll tell you how I'd like to see it done: Draft every numb nutz like you to send over there and get slaughtered...so we don't have to pay your unemployment in the economy he will create.

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