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CosmicAIDS

73-bet pot 2/5 live 6 handed vs good reg

MSNL Live

This hand just happened a few hours ago. We are decently deep 6 handed. Hero has stack of 2200, main villain has about 1300 and third villain has about 900.

Main villain is a very competent reg who is capable of big moves. I have played with him a bunch over the last year and he fluctuates from being a very solid talented player to a complete spewtard. It is very hard to put him on a range in any given hand. He was stuck tonight and I didn't know if he was steaming a lot or not. Anyways here is the hand.

Dealt to Hero Utg 6 handed [AcQs]

Hero raised to 15
UTG+1 folds
MP folds
Button third villain calls 15
Small Blind folds
BB main villain 3 bets to 55
Hero decides to flat 55. I could have definitely 4 bet here for value. He can have a very wide range of hands that he has been know to 3 bet squeeze so i decided to call and see a flop in position.
Third villain calls as well

Flop [Qh4s5c]
Villain leads out for 85
Hero calls 85
Button folds

Turn [Qh4s5c] [9h]

Villain bets out 110
Hero calls

River [Qh4s5c] [9h] [3c]

Villain goes all in for about 1000

Hero?????

Posted Mar 5, 2016, 7:31 AM UTC

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twoambienMSNL Live•

I count 3-bets, not 73.

I'm probably folding here, unless he's having one of his spewtard nights. Depends what his overbet tendencies are though. If he tends to only do it as a bluff, that may turn this into a call.

He's telling a very convincing story for having 99/QQ/KK/AA.

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Hahaha oops. Long night sorry. And yeah that's what sucks is I have seen him do it both ways before so it was just a really tough spot. It was a very 50/50 spot for me and I know he has a lot of heart and a lot bluffs here.

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LolPharisees•

I'm probably not calling this. I think he knows you have approx what you have and are really tempted to look him up cause he's probably spazzed out in front of you before. Personally, I'm probably getting to this spot with 3 different sets (44,55,99 at least) and probably 67s, so from a GTO perspective I wouldn't feel particularly compelled to call this hand at all.

I mean, you can list potential bluffs all day, but unless you have some dead-read on this guy I think you should be letting this particular one go. This isn't a spot where there's some magic way of figuring out through text whether you should call or not, so you really just have to make a decision. The one big argument in favor of calling is his weak turn sizing, which kind of makes me think he was trying to gauge how strong you were with his bet or perhaps set his own price for a draw.

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zluoSSSNL Live•

i read 73bet and was waiting for some waterboat level shit

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zluoSSSNL Live•

It's pretty hard for V to have bluffs here unless he's in his complete spewtard mood and you think he will triple barrel complete air. IDK if V is gunna overjam riv with AA/KK when we're gunna have 44/55/99 almost as much as we're gunna have AQ in this spot. We block QQ but 99 makes a lot of sense, also given his sizings 67s makes sense if you think he would ever squeeze this. Def folding here unless we're sure V is steaming and even then it's close.

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Thanks for the feedback. I did end up folding and villain turned over one card the 7 of clubs so he was most likely bluffing or had 67. I appreciate the advice guys.

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yuengling747•

"He can have a very wide range of hands that he has been know to 3 bet squeeze" No idea why you would want to flat instead of 4bet when this is your read. You should have tons of other hands in your range you can flat with (mostly suited broadways), and hands we want to 4b/gii for value (AK+ QQ+), so we should have a few 4bet/folds and AQo is perfect for that (Strong hand with Ace blocker, tough to play in multiway pots without initiative, well ahead of BBs squeeze range). BTN is almost always calling when you flat and almost always folding when you 4b. So if we don't 4b we are usually taking AQo multiway vs 2 wide/live ranges (meh). If we do 4b we can take the pot down pre or give villain a chance to make a mistake by flatting hands we are well ahead of. There is really no need to be scared of being 5b bluffed. Absolutely no reason to flat pre, this is a very clear 4bet imo.

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Yeah I agree and looking back I could have for sure. As played I could have gotten full value if I wasn't such a coward hahaha

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hahaza•

lol I so wanted to see a 73-bet pot :) I think against a person I respect to be able to do big moves I lean towards calling on such an awesome runout. I might be wrong but good agressive kind of player would probably triple barrel all his heart FDs (AKh, KJh, KTs, and others, it depends on how much he squeezes OOP) on turn and maybe hands like KJo, JT or KTo he also barrels. He also might think that you are peeling turn wide (with all pairs for example) so his river bet becomes very profitable if he puts your calling range on 2pair (which I assume you have almost never (maybe Q9s or 45s)) and better because you are basically folding all the time. It sucks that you are faced with 2x pot bet on river but you are so strong and you are blocking AA combos and you dont block A high FDs. Overrall I think I call, the only thing that would fuck with my mind would be his small turn bet which really doesnt make sense to me with any hand given that he is OOP and deep. If you are beat I think the hand that makes most sense to me is A2hh or 67hh (but I have no idea if he squeezes those hands) and he bet small on turn to get cheap price to see river and now is just bombing the river with nuts. But if he bets draws small on the turn there are many missed draws also which he might bomb on the river thinking that he gets you off top pair most of the time. Cool hand

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Yeah I told myself on brick rivers I was snap calling a shove in my head because I knew he was going to shove all his hands there. Its a really good board for him to do it. Then he did it and I decided folding is the best option. It was the most 50/50 decision I think I've ever had honestly. He turned over the 7 of clubs so 67 was def a possibility but knowing him he could have had A8 suited as well and just had a lot of heart. But 67 makes a lot of sense too.

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Ok so my buddy who is good friends with him told him what the other card was. He had J7 of clubs hahaha. Oh well.

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LolPharisees•

I mean he's just torching money doing that stupid shit so GG I guess.

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Yeah like I said he goes from super solid to just absolute tilty spew monkey from night to night and it made it an interesting spot. My gut said call but either way I don't mind it. I thought it was justified either way.

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CRAIBaby500NL•

snap fold we have way better hands to call. when he over jams we only need a few combos and we have all sets as well as AA and KK.

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Pokergaming•

Take with grain of salt. If I was Villian, I would think your range on river is 44/55/99/QQ (sometimes)/KK (sometimes)/AQ/KQ(?) and sometimes QJs (though most likely not) and sometime 76s should you open/flat this hand pre. I would think AA

So you have 12 combos of sets. 4 combos of straights. So basically 16 combos of hands you're never folding. Also you have anywhere from.. 20-26 combos of 1 pair hands, which if he bombs for full pot (or 3/4th pot), it'd be tough for you to call anyways.

Also, He's betting 1k into 555. So 1k into 1555 for you to call. Which means you need to be right near 40% to break-even.

Unless he is a massive spewtard, I can't see 1 pair being good here 40% of the time. He either has 99, QQ, 76, or 66/77 and being a total level war and basically say he can't call without a straight and he has 2 of the blockers in his hand. (Edit, he could have 7hxh as well, probably less likely he has 77/66..)

I think the minimum call range here is 99 but I wouldn't be too happy about it.

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Yeah the type of player he is and the fact he was stuck def played role in it though and I was committed to calling any bet on dry rivers. Then he actually did it and I made the mistake of asking how much it was and began to level myself. I think you're right against most players it's not a call but unfortunately my initial read was correct and he was spewing hard. I leveled myself and folded but hey I think his shove is awful but you can't be right all the time.

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Pokergaming•

He was stuck tonight and I didn't know if he was steaming a lot or not.

Can you explain this part? Your history sounds like you have played a lot with this villain so you should know his tendencies and emotions when he is stuck.

(Not saying this makes it a call on the river, however it turns closer. At worst it's a 5-10% mistake).

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CosmicAIDSOPMSNL Live•

Yeah I've played with him a decent bit and when he is stuck or tilting he sometimes goes into spew mode where he can't give up on a pot or starts making really bad plays. The thing is sometimes he plays super solid and I've seen him where he is stuck and tilting and pretends to be on tilt and just have the absolute nuts too so it can be hard to tell what side of the spectrum he's on. I think it was a weird spot and I was strong but not strong enough to call. I figured it was either AA KK 67 or some weird two pair hand where he can 3 bet almost anything when he's in that mood. I definitely could have just 4 bet pre and I guarantee he would have called but I would have had control at least. I don't know if you saw but he ended up having J7 clubs so that shows just how bad he can get. He just hates giving up on pots and has a lot of heart haha

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Pokergaming•

not 4 betting is a huge mistake if his 3bet/call range is gigantic and his only 5 bet range beats your 4 bet range. but i am sure you know this as well.

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