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Mehowthegreat

Kriss Vector SBR - Is it legal in Canada?

Hey, I know the gun is a little ugly. But in my opinion is a gun that is most similar to the broomhandle pistol. What I'm wondering about is it legal to own in Canada? I have found one online store that has sold it. But I can't find out anywhere that says its legal to own the SBR in Canada. The only source I have is kriss's website. But I want something official that isnt from someone who is trying to sell me something.

The link below is the store I mentioned.

http://www.crafm.com/kriss-vector-sbr-45acp-folding-stock-5-5in.html?___store=french

Posted Mar 6, 2016, 4:28 PM UTC

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chefboyoh.45-70/40mm•

Why not just get a broom handle pistol? With the $$$ the Kriss will cost, you could probably get a Mauser broomhandle for $1-200 more

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MehowthegreatOP•

I'm worried about how much it's been used and how condition of the full gun. With the SBR, it's a brand new gun. Unless you can point me in the right direction to get a fully functioning new Broomhandle pistol?

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chefboyoh.45-70/40mm•

They pop up on the CGN EE from time to time, try posting a "Want to Buy" ad, they are definitely out there. I almost bought a shitty-condition one last week for $1,400. It's also my grail gun :) so, when I find a second one I'll let you know! The first one is going to be mine :P

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MehowthegreatOP•

I wondering how much would it cost to get a gunsmith to make one

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chefboyoh.45-70/40mm•

To make a Mauser C96? From what, scratch? Probably a fucking boatload, if there was even a gunsmith in Canada capable of doing that (no offense to Canadian gunsmiths, but I don't think there is). Your best bet is to post a WTB ad on the CGN EE, and wait patiently. They will come, they are not super rare just uncommon.

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chefboyoh.45-70/40mm•

Also, you won't be getting a new condition broomhandle, most are from the early 1900's. I'm curious why you think the Kriss is similar, they are in no may similar in function or form really.

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MehowthegreatOP•

The only thing common between the two is the mag is not in the grip. Other than that I like the mechanism for reducing the recoil. It's an ugly duckling that I like.

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MetricMachinist•

Legal and restricted. I have handled one at the lgs. Kinda a dumb thing to have in Canada though because the design is meant to reduce felt recoil under fully automatic fire by having the reciprocating mass travel at a downward angle instead of horizontally. You most certainly will never see a full auto version in Canada.

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Cheese_BitsThe endangered RonaldReagan-MikeTyson!•

Kinda a dumb thing to have in Canada though because the design is meant to reduce felt recoil under fully automatic fire

Dumb in the US too unless you're a SOT.

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PrettyLadyLoverhopefully will get license soon•

It doesn't help with recoil, it helps with muzzle rise by creating an opposite, downward force. The AK-107 is a recoil reducing firearm, since it has an opposing piston that fires forward when the gas-operated piston fires backwards to re-chamber and reset the trigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJs9sBBjLls&t=1m2s

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SNIPE07•

  1. the vector doesn't represent the broomhandle in any functional or aesthetic way, no idea where you came up with this.

  2. firearms aren't "illegal" or "legal" in Canada. Firearms are classified as non-restricted, restricted, or prohibited. Ownership of firearms in these classifications are legal/illegal depending on the individual. The Vector with the 5.5" barrel is restricted. Any individual can own Restricted firearms with the proper licensing.

  3. But I can't find out anywhere that says its legal to own the SBR in Canada

Have you tried googling "firearms regulations canada"? Literally the first result is the RCMP web page containing the firearms act, and all regulations regarding firearms. All the information you need is there. The term "SBR" is not defined in the firearms act, but firearms with the properties of an SBR have regulations pertaining to them.

  1. If you suspect (After reading the firearms act), that a firearms dealer in Canada is selling firearms to individuals who cannot legally possess or acquire them, it is your responsibility to report it to the RCMP. However, I highly doubt any reputable retailer in this country would attempt to sell you a firearm you cannot possess.
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MehowthegreatOP•

Yes I found that you can technically own the vector SBR. But I'm more worried about it being on a prohibited list like the svd dragnov. I'm only asking if its legal to own in Canada. I couldn't find anywhere online that stated it was illegal. So I want to ask random strangers. But it turns out that was a bad idea...

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SNIPE07•

You can own the Vector with the 5.5" barrel, the SBR. You need a restricted license, because the properties of the firearm make it fall under the restricted class.

The prescribed prohibited list was made in the 90s and has not been touched since. The vector was produced long after the list was made. It's not on the list.

There is not a name by name reference for "Is this gun legal?" questions in Canada. There is a list of prohibited by name firearms that was made in the 90s (classes 12(4), 12(5)). The other prohibited classes are 12(2) - full auto, 12(3) - converted auto, 12(6) - handguns with < 4.25" barrels. Everything else is either restricted or non-restricted, and the properties which make a firearm non-restricted or restricted are also defined in the firearms act.

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MehowthegreatOP•

Thank you

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GunGearwww.GunGear.ca•

Did you just call my gun ugly :-) It's a great gun. There are two versions available in Canada, the long barreled one is non-restricted while the short barrel is restricted. Both of them are semi automatic only. Pic of restricted version http://imgur.com/wr6fPaZ

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improbablydrunknlwReally, really likes 9mm.•

Does the restricted versions barrel not protrude from the upper?

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GunGearwww.GunGear.ca•

It does, that's it on the front of the gun, its lower than you would expect.

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improbablydrunknlwReally, really likes 9mm.•

Wow, I would not have expected it there.

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GunGearwww.GunGear.ca•

Yeah, it's a very interesting design, but it works very well. The bolt is connected to a significant piece of metal that travels downwards to compensate for the muzzle flip. Of course where you really see the benefit is on the full auto version with a full capacity magazine.

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MehowthegreatOP•

Do you own the carbine or sbr version?

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GunGearwww.GunGear.ca•

I'm rocking the SBR. Having shot the carbine version I gotta say that the SBR is wayyyy more giggles :-)

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MehowthegreatOP•

Do you own the old or new version? I have heard that it jams easily when it's trying to eject a spent shell.

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GunGearwww.GunGear.ca•

I've had mine for a while, so I'm going to guess the old version. Never had any issues with it, except for some ejection issue while using garbage KCI mags - the mag was unable to hold all the rounds in so on a full mag when the bolt opens the spent case and a live round would pop out - hilarious :-)

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AdiposeFinFudd/Dick. Downvoted for Keepin' it Real! DGAS •

Restricted.

::edit:: just to elaborate, any semi-auto center fire rifle with a barrel less than 470mm is restricted..

So it doesn't matter if the barrel is 10mm or 100mm long, if its a semi-auto center fire, it's restricted.

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Karabiner_Scheeki breeki•

similar to the broomhandle pistol

Wat. It isn't similar at all. The Vector is a delayed blowback whilst the C96 is a straight recoil.

is it legal to own in Canada

Yes, if you have an RPAL.

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NoxiousDogCloudon•

"is this gun that's for sale legal to own"

Uuuh

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MehowthegreatOP•

In the sense the magazine is in front of the trigger.

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Karabiner_Scheeki breeki•

So I guess every tactical rifle is similar to the C96?

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MehowthegreatOP•

No you fucking idiot...

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Karabiner_Scheeki breeki•

But the magazine is in front of the trigger.

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[deleted]•

Yes. But restricted. Personally, I like the space gun aesthetic.

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MehowthegreatOP•

me to

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Andrew9623Com Bloc Crazy•

My local gunstore has this KRISS Vector. I'm pretty sure it's the same as what you're looking for. If it is I've shot it (100 rounds downrange). It's A LOT of fun. The one that I shot jammed every 10 rounds or so, but i think that was the ammo.

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VentCo✠ My home smells of rich cosmoline ☭•

Yeah, it's right there in the link.

You're going to need an RPAL to buy it though. There's a Non-restricted version as well, that come with an 18.6" barrel and a fake suppressor to hide it.

Everything you need to know about getting a firearms licence in Canada.

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MehowthegreatOP•

I already have one...

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VentCo✠ My home smells of rich cosmoline ☭•

Then go for it man, if you want one. It's not listed as Prohibited and even if it were the shop wouldn't sell it to you with your RPAL.

I mean, they could, but most companies aren't that stupid.

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