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Dented-Chest

Anyone watch The Flash but not Arrow?

I watch both shows but depending on how this season of Arrow ends and next one begins I might stop watching at least for until season 5 ends and then I can watch the whole thing rather than watching week to week because I find this works better with certain shows.

Basically I want to hear from people who only watch The Flash, do you feel like your missing out on anything particularly with the crossover episodes? and with the cross over episodes I assume you at least watch that corresponding episode of Arrow, right?

Sorry if this is considered a "shitpost" and if it is (by a few people) I'll delete it.

EDIT apparently not a shitpost, good to know, thanks for all the responses/opinions.

Posted Mar 14, 2016, 6:29 AM UTC · edited

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garownsu01•

I only watch The Flash. I don't feel like I'm missing out on too much, even with the crossover episodes. I watch and enjoy The Flash and I've never watched an episode of Arrow.

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meowffins•

I forgot to continue watching arrow after one of the seasons, maybe 3-5 in. I have no idea what it's up to now.

But it's actually very cool, at least in terms of building up the character of the green arrow. I highly recommend having a look.

If you don't want to, basically it amounts to green arrow/oliver queen being a hard motherfucker.

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Generic_user_person•

Seasons 1 and 2 were amazing

Season 3 was good, not great but enjoyable

Stay the hell away from season 4, it has become a soap opera, and I mean this completely

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meowffins•

Is season 4 following on from when a certain person was a in a snowy place at the end of season 3?

That's where I stopped. Or really just forgot. At the same time I continued flash because it seemed.. like a faster show.

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Generic_user_person•

Season 4 has become dominated by tumblr who only wanna see felicity

Meaning every episode we have he shoved down our throats

We've had more felicity centered episodes than we've had Oliver centered this season

And since she's too perfect to need development it's all been shit

The writers don't know hat they're doing anymore

If you wann watch a comic book show ? Arrow season 4 isn't for you

That's y the sub has become so shit. It's followed suit from the show

Want a good comic book show ? Wat h young justice, both seasons are in Netflix and it's amazing

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SlightlyProficientWell, this is a complication...•

That was the midseason finale of season 3, so no. Also, I'm gonna disagree with the statement that 3 was good and 4 isn't. I find season 3, at least so far, to be the worst season. The beginning was cool, but the overall storyline fell apart at the end with tons of completely illogical decisions and Felicity's constant whining got very annoying. Season 4 isn't bad. It has its faults, in terms of choreography and, yes, we get more Felicity/Olicity than I like, but overall I still enjoy the season.

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im_boba_fett_AMA•

I think four is doing better than 3 but maybe its because there is still hope that Felicity dies in this season

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Generic_user_person•

Sorry to ruin your fun but it's pointing to laurel

Yesterday when they asked them bout the grave all the actors jokes around except for her who got really serious

Also a while ago she posted a picture of her on set

Same day Stephen said there was no recording being done

Also the day AFTER the laurel is dead rumor started going around

We can hope for felicity but at this point they're milking her like a prized heffer

Also writers mentioned the picture Ollie had of her would come into play,

My speculation ? As he drops it on her tomb stone

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LastSonOfVegeta•

Season 4 is infintely better than Season 3 lmfao.

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Generic_user_person•

I see you got jokes, might wanna add the /s before you get downvoted man

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antonis_dela•

You're right. Soap opera by all meanings

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Kobeissi2•

I'm quitting Arrow after I finish this season.

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Kxr1der•

Seconded

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frankieboyjones•

Third reporting in

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StealthHikki•

The fourth Jay Garrick is here.

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jrunnin13•

Red 5: Standing by.

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dgehenKeep moving forward•

I quit during this season. When it came back from winter break, I watched 1 episode and said "Fuck this. I'm out." I was a loyal watcher from the pilot, but I just found myself not enjoying it. Time is too valuable to spend hate-watching a show.

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Asayani•

Agreed, same thing happened to me with Sleepy Hallow.

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VforVeraThe Flash•

OMG at Sleepy Hollow. That show had the most fun and exciting freshman season and completely messed it up in its sophomore season. I can't believe how steep of a cliff it fell off in season 2. Six episodes in I dropped it. Everything that made season 1 work, they moved away from it in season 2. Never seen a show digress like that.

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TriscuitCracker•

What about Heroes? Although to be fair, the third and fourth seasons were abominable, second season was a victim of the writer's strike.

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Asayani•

Sleepy Hollow writers fell into the Tumblr trap. They listened to all the Tumblr shippers and the writers completely rewrote the second season. It's the same thing with what's happening to Arrow unfortunately. I don't have a personal vendetta against Tumblr but the fanbase within Tumblr have completely destroyed 2 shows that had potential to do be something better. I'm so glad The 100 writers don't listen to the fanbase as much cause they're doing a decent job with the show, albeit a bit cheesy at times, but it's still great.

Edit: Phone changes Hollow to Hallow, totally awkward

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Hui_Hui_The_Slender•

hook incoming

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Rogue-KnightNo Jay Garrick here•

I quit watching Felicity because there was not enough Green Arrow in it.

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Dented-ChestOP•

Green Arrow is fine but he's just not a strong powerful woman.

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Rogue-KnightNo Jay Garrick here•

She's stronger than all of us, remember.

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Dented-ChestOP•

"but not stronger than any of us"- Fant4stic (2015)

No wait you completely messed that up I'm outta here, and you can keep the wheelchair

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Babu_Honey_Bandger•

Gotta fight the patriarchy

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Runethomas•

Tbh, I'm watching the Arrow but I'm only going through the motions. I'm usually multitasking like playing a video game or browsing Reddit

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Dented-ChestOP•

I mostly do the same thing, which is usually only something I do if I'm re-watching something but I'll be 10 minutes into an episode now and it feels like 40 minutes

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FREE_GUCCI_MANE_•

I do that with Supergirl.

You gotta do what you gotta do

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TheBeatt•

No need to delete. We welcome shitposts here on r/flashtv

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Dented-ChestOP•

oh good I'll take a reddit-Laxative and make some more.

Maybe be we should call deleting a shitpost "Flushing" ?

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RutheniumFenix•

I used to watch Arrow religiously, stopped about half way through season 3, tried to start up again during season 4, got to the episode before the one before the christmas break, and just couldnt be bothered to start watching again.

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ademnus•

I only watch the flash, never had any interest in the Arrow. Frankly, I don't feel I'm missing much in terms of following the Flash without seeing corresponding Arrow episodes. Seems to make sense on its own ok.

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Dented-ChestOP•

Cool I would recommend watching seasons 1+2 of Arrow but only if you get that feelin' (and you need some healin').

I think I'll enjoy Green Arrow (the character) more if I drop Arrow and only see him on The Flash and LOT because they seem to make more of an effort with in those special episodes (but that break up scene at the farm house in the last cross-over was one of the worst things I've ever seen on television like the consequences of it were cool with everyone getting killed (before time-travel) but still it was an awful scene)

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dgehenKeep moving forward•

Drop Arrow and get your GA fix elsewhere. There's JLU, the DC: Showcase short, and of course the great Green Arrow comics by Mike Grell, Kevin Smith, Judd Winnick, and Jeff Lemire.

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DeithWX•

I watched The Flash first and after seeing crossovers with Arrow I thaught - "I'm missing out Flash crossovers in Arrow". So I binge watched all seasons and turns out...I could aswell just watch the episodes where Flash shows up because the rest is of a questionable quality. I might get shit from Arrow fans but throughout the seasons it falls flat, it tries too hard to be Batman.

With that being said, the crossover episodes in Arrow don't really add to Barry story, it's just nice to see more episodes with Team Flash since there is a month break between episodes and I feel like a junkie.

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The_Arrowverse•

Lol people who make the Arrow = Batman Lite claim have clearly never read an actual Green Arrow comic book. Stop making claims when your rationale is drawn from one or two issues of a Justice League comic book and a few episodes of JLU. If you want to know about a character before making claims, do some damn research. It'll always blow me away that people bandwagon on some stuff without actually being able to formulate an argument for themselves; hence my reasoning for - piece by piece - breaking down that idiotic claim , and I'm someone whose read (and owns digitals) of nearly every GA comic AND every Batman comic...

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RedAlice1•

Nah, the first two seasons wew batman (Nolan's batman) with Green Arrow plot

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DeithWX•

Ok hold on, you got way ahead of yourself. I claim that it's too much of a Batman because when I think of someone getting shit on constantly - it's Batman, when I think about dark city and the main hero being depressed, mysterious and shit I think of Batman, when I see someone pushing everyone away to protect them and because he's sad and been through shit - yup, it's Batman, that is the picture in my head. I've never read any Batman comics, I've never read any comics at all but that's who I see when I think of all these things. I understand that things can't always be happy, rainbows, flying unicorns and shit but come on, this character learns literally nothing for 4 seasons and he's the reason shit hits the fan on every front. I just expect some character development, but instead I feel this vibe of "yeah, he's just gonna be always depressed and angry because the island", I felt the same about main character in "Last Man On Earth", every time it was him who fucked up and it was him being a dumb shit in every episode, it got boring and stale, there is no character improvement, there is no redeeming moment, he doesn't learn because well "that's just how he is". How many times we have to see him keeping a big secret and having to live through the consequences - being everyone is pissed at him - before he learns that maybe, just maybe that's not the way to go since he fucked up things because he acted the same way in the past. I understand this whole concept "I have no time to explain, but if I would spend 30 seconds doing so we wouldn't have to deal with it for 42 minutes" but every season just circles arround him, there is no other people with their stories, it's just Oliver being Oliver the dumb person who can't learn or take a hint. I know that's the price he has to pay to protect the city but for fuck sake, after 4 seasons at least one side should understand the other but everytime they act like it's new thing. On top of that now they keep saying that he has changed since season 1, did he really change? Cause the only thing that changed is that he learned "if you kill someone, you will have harder time to kill someone after that", that's all he learned after 4 seasons (which is what, 1,5 - 2 years of his life?). He learns the hardest things faster than the obvious ones and it's driving me insane. Seing a hero being happy for 10 minutes just so he can get another buckett of shit thrown at him for 2 hours isn't fun after a while, I can't enjoy the good moments because I know they're being used only to build up the bad moments.

I really don't want to bring up Flash because someone will say "you can't use the same formula for every show" but screw this. In Flash he has a big, clear picture, a goal to achieve and in episodes he has some obstacles to overcome. Now The Flash deals with the obstacles and moves forward towards the goal and sometimes his past catches up and screws him over, but we don't know when and what and who will fuck up his day, it's a surprise and he has to adapt to the new circumstances and we see him do that, we see him improve, learn things, sees the consequences of his actions. Sometimes it's the next episode, sometimes it's 6 episodes later but after an episode we think "job well done, one step at a time", we don't think how it's gonna bite him in the ass later on. Now if that would be Green Arrow dealing with this situation, immediately after the "victory" everyone is like "great, gee I wonder how fast it's gonna bit him in the ass", we've been set up to think that it always gonna do that, on top of that, we already know who and why is gonna do it. He doesn't learn anything after his fight/victory. He doesn't reflect on that, we don't see him changing for the next fight because in the past it was a bad idea. And I don't mean using different arrows to shoot people, but talking to other people, interacting with them, he acts like a sociopath and it's really hard to see him as a hero when he's portrayed like that.

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jacobsighs•

Before I say anything else, keep in mind I only watched Season 1. Green Arrow in the comics is a left-wing open-minded guy who is against killing, but in the show he just seems like a brooding guy who has trouble connecting with his family (which is fair, given his time on the island) and has no problem killing (bodyguards at least, which is strange). You don't have to look at DCAU Green Arrow for this kind of Ollie, he's like it in most pre-New 52 comics. In Quiver, he killed someone for torturing Black Canary, and that murder made him question his very being. New 52 GA is a totally different thing though, and while he's a more fair comparison for CW's GA, they are still very different.

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DishonoredSinceBirth•

I've been a hardcore Arrow fan since day 1. I've watched every single episode, reveling in how awesome this guy with no powers could be. I loved Merlyn, Deathstroke, and the early Island flashbacks. I cosplayed as Island Ollie and an undead version of the modern-day Arrow as well, and still have dreams about the show. I played DC Universe Online in every waking moment in the days/weeks between episodes, with a character that was as close to Oliver Queen as I'd seen. My love for DC Comics properties has been expanded and increased dramatically because of Arrow, and those first couple of seasons will always hold a special place in my heart.

Then The Flash came around, and it was... different. It was exciting where Arrow began to be brooding. It was remarkable where Arrow was flat. It was fresh where Arrow became stagnant. I have felt, since The Flash's inception, that most of the focus and energy of the writers, producers, and show-runners has gone toward Barry and his journey, with less attention being paid to Oliver Queen and his gang.

I loved Arrow, but I think the moment that made it hurt was Oliver's "resurrection" after his first fight with Ra's Al-Ghul. That was like my lover slapping me in the face, but I still went back because of the good times we used to have. Then Season 4 began, and promised new things. It promised to be light, with new direction and purpose. Oliver changed his clothes, but I liked the old suit better. Every person he associated with was now some kind of expert fighter, but his skills diminished to laughable extents.

I realized that this show would never again be as good as it once was, not with The Flash having all of the fun. I work three jobs, and knew that it... just wasn't worth my free time anymore. I loved Arrow more than anybody else I've talked to, but its become... something else.

I also gave Legends a shot or two, but that's even more boringly convoluted than Arrow has become. So now for me, its just The Flash.

Oh, and Better Call Saul. Seriously, go watch that shit.

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Dented-ChestOP•

Not to gloss over everything you just said (thanks for putting in the effort) but I'm not a huge Breaking Bad fan (like it just don't love it.) would you still recommend Better Call Saul?

Also I agree about the suit, I preferred the old one too, I think the cloth hood works better than the leather style one. and the sleeveless thing (although more traditional green arrow) was shown to be flawed fairly quickly with Olivers arm getting hurt and having a bandage on him, that didn't look they could have at least used a green bandage or something so it didn't stand out so much.

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DishonoredSinceBirth•

Better Call Saul is... gosh, its kind of hard to explain. I think its much more exciting for a BB fan to watch, especially since they've been doing a lot of cameos and tying a few things together that happen in BB's timeline. The easter eggs are just great! On its own, its still a very smartly-written show that manages to be humorous as well as dark and foreboding. The attention to detail is incredible, like the use of color schemes, locations, setpieces, and even props (using the older version of the $20 bills in the latest episode, for instance, as the show takes place about a decade ago). No one is making or selling drugs, there aren't crazy shoot-outs or assassinations, but the paths that the two main characters are walking are very grey, and they're both... slipping one little bit at a time. My girlfriend and I love it, and watch it every week no matter what. Maybe give it a shot?

And yes, the old Arrow outfit was the better one functionally, and set the character apart from his comic book version which I thought was important, but now it seems like a kind of regression, maybe to please comic fans?

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Dented-ChestOP•

I'll check it out at some stage but won't make it a priority.

Thanks for the recommendation.

maybe to please comic fans?

Maybe and I don't thinks it's a bad thing he is now officially "Green Arrow" in the show just seams like a leather(style) hood is hard get right on camera

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buzz3light•

Something else lol

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storyfarm•

I work three jobs,

Are you a metahuman?

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DishonoredSinceBirth•

No, just poor :/

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storyfarm•

Aww, you are one brave soul

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Logvin•

99% of this posts on this sub are bad Jay Garrik jokes. This is the first non-shitpost I've seen in weeks.

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Dented-ChestOP•

Is there such a thing as a bad Jay Garrick Joke?

Just kidding, I do enjoy some of the Jay jokes but some have no effort put into them (like arrow season 4)

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requium94C̴A͢͏T͟C̵̀H̷̨ ҉ME͢͡͏ ̵̕͟I̡҉͝F̶̴̛ ́͟Ý́O͟U ̨̧͠CA̷͢N̴•

I've been watching Arrow from day 1 and even though it's gone way downhill I still watch to see where they might take it next and so I'm up to date for the crossover episodes. Also the grave thing has the potential to be interesting so there's that.

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Dented-ChestOP•

Hmm it all depend's on who is in the grave, it could make or break the show. that's the thing I'd like to stick with it to see how things turn out but if it continues to get worse I'll have to give it up.

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NeoStorm247•

I started watching Arrow sometime in the middle of season 2 I think (or maybe just before it started, I don't really remember) and got caught up and have been watching weekly since, the same with The Flash. I watch both shows because I like them (although I do prefer The Flash - mainly because I like his character more, nothing to do with the shows themselves). I've never felt like you'd be missing anything by not watching either show when the crossovers roll around, and in those situations you can just watch the half from the other show anyway to fill in the gaps.

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SoyAna•

I've watched the first two or three episodes of Arrow but I didn't like it at all. Then I started watching The Flash with my boyfriend (an Arrow fan) and he says I'm not missing out anything. I watch the crossover episodes in both shows, tho.

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PokerTuna•

Week by week I rapidly lose interest in Arrow. This show is full of shitty drama, cringeworthy dialogues and terrible acting. Not to mention boring flashbacks.

I have no idea how the actors feel, but to me it has to look like this:

Team Flash - hey guys! lets have some more fun! Team Arror - fuck me, this again. oh, check seems fine at least.

fun fact, I was on team Felicity. You know, smart, sexy chick with funny quotes. Probably a gamer in her free time. But now? MY GOD THE DRAMA IS TOO MUCH. And it's not an actual drama in a Jessica Jones ( epic ) kind of way. Oh no.

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Dented-ChestOP•

I'm kinda in the same boat as you and agree with a lot of what said.

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thc1967•

I watch Arrow when there's a cross-over with The Flash. Once in a while, if I'm bored on a Wednesday night, I might watch it if it's not a cross-over.

I don't feel like I'm missing anything Flash-related doing that. Arrow is the story of Oliver Queen and his band of heroes.

I will DVR the Supergirl episode only because The Flash is in it. I've tried watching Supergirl and it's targeted to an audience way too young and way too female for my taste. (Watch the commercials and you'll see that clearly.)

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Dented-ChestOP•

I'm a couple of episodes into SuperGirl (started watching because of the flash crossover) it hasn't gripped me yet but it's not terrible and I've heard it gets better, I'll watch it until the flash episode and if it hasn't got me by then I'll probably stop.

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Blargh9•

If a certain someone dies i will be joining this club.

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Babu_Honey_Bandger•

I stopped watching few episodes into the current season, it went from being about a badass troubled superhero to a teen drama series.

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Dented-ChestOP•

You say that like it's a bad thing...... which is the correct way to say it, well done! you get 6 Flash-Bucks

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Im_A_Fuckin_SeahorseSome would say I'm the GOD DAMN REVERSE FLASH•

I gave up on Arrow a couple episodes into season 4. I love the characters and the show to a certain degree, but lousy writing and weak cinematography are what ultimately puts down the show. I'm holding off in hopes that myself and everyone else leaving the show make a difference by getting the producers to truly appeal to the Green Arrow fanbase and not Olicity.

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Rocky323•

Depending on how Arrow ends this season (certain rumors about the grave) I'll be quitting Arrow permanently and pretend it ended with season 2 or mid-season 3 (The Climb). And then it'll only be Flash, LoT, iZombie, and getting back to Supergirl (since it's apparently gotten better).

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Dented-ChestOP•

I think we should be safe with saying who the "rumors" are about without spoiling it for anyone because they are just rumors but anyway, If certain rumors about the grave prove true this is the replacement i'd like too see: http://i.imgur.com/EmsdBMO.jpg

which is better than a Implant-enhanced-replacement which I can see every possibility of the writers doing unfortunately

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RangersCrusader•

I only watch the flash. I just don't like Arrow. Season 1 was too batman. Everyone says season 2 was good but I didn't even get past season 1. I watched a bit of season 3 and it was bad so I'm not interested.

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