Salah Abdeslam "wants to go to France as quickly as possible"
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deredactie.bePosted Mar 24, 2016, 11:06 AM UTC
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deredactie.beI'll never defend his actions, but I think he's feeling guilt. If that's true, I'm happy. He deserves severe punishment, but the idealist in my heart hopes he can atone for his crimes.
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I seriously doubt he feels true guilt. Personally I suspect it's more of an (idiotic) hope that he can get reduction of punishment if he cooperates.
He allready walked away from blowing himself up once, if he was a mastermind he'd have been back in Syria, he's just a constant failure looking to save his own skin and to feel important.
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Maybe. It seems unlikely due to the sudden 180° pivot... but it's just as ridiculous to belief that just because of the recent attacks Belgian justice would suddenly strike him down harder than French justice. I can't wrap my head around this statement though:
Sven Mary: "I believe that he is staying in a well-secured prison and that no contact with others is possible. He has not said anything about the attacks. He is in an isolation cell with no access to TV or newspapers."
Sven Mary has visited him in Bruges, right? What's the relevance of this info? As his lawyer you'd expect Sven to keep Abdeslam informed.
EDIT 1: Oh actually, it doesn't seem like guilt. According to HLN (yeh), he no longer wants to collaborate with Belgian police...
EDIT 2: Also, it seems to be the case that if Abdeslam was aware of these attacks, he should expect a trial in Belgium before he gets passed down to France regardless of his wishes. At this rate it could drag out for years before both French and Belgian victims have seen justice carried out.
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Sven Mary has visited him in Bruges, right? What's the relevance of this info? As his lawyer you'd expect Sven to keep Abdeslam informed.
He was captured days before the attacks and put on isolation so it could fairly well be that he doesn't even know all of this...
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That's what I mean, he's only allowed to receive visits from his lawyer. The least his lawyer could do is keep him informed of what's going on outside.
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unlikely due to the sudden 180° pivot
Not that unlikely, honestly. He already applied to be 'spijtoptant', I honestly think he knew about the planned attacks and didn't want Zaventem to happen, but his lawyer probably told him not to say anything before he got a deal.
The lawyer isn't to blame for that by the way, it's his job to defend his client's best interests... Sadly, that's how the legal system works.
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The least the tosser should know are the guys' names.
I hope he can't by law tell his client to keep such information for himself if lives are at stake. If the lawyer told him to shut up then he's equally as guilty, even it's not by law, ethically it's wrong.
On the other hand, I could also blame them for neglecting.
To be honest, I don't truly care what happens to the guy, I trust he wont get away easy... either way it wont make me feel better.. It wont change my anger nor sadness towards this whole situation. I hope we'll get all the info there is to get from this guy.
For now we should only find solutions and act adequately.
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I hope he can't by law tell his client to keep such information for himself if lives are at stake
This would fall under Art 422bis, so it would be considered negligence not to speak up.
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ethically it's wrong.
No, ethically it would be wrong if he DID tell Abdeslam to explain everything BEFORE he got a deal. Lawyers have an ethical code to prioritize the interest of their client.
If anything, justice should have agreed to his request as 'spijtoptant' sooner, or the system should be changed.
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If he felt guilty he should have spoken about the plots to do new attacks. He just played the media.
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This is the only real answer imho. He's laughing in our faces while knows what is still coming. It can not be a coincidence that he desperately wanted to stay in Belgium and now that the attack is over he's ok with going to France? For all we know he wants to be in France as fast as possible because he knows that's where the next attack will be.
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He feels so guilty, that he kept silent about the plans of his friends.
Disgusting to defend this murderer.
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Implying I'm defending him is the only disgusting thing going on in this thread.
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He was supposed to take part in these attacks, but got arrested.
Claiming that he is feeling guilty is extremely offensive to the victims.
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Claiming that he is feeling guilty is extremely offensive to the victims.
Why?
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Our criminal courts were meant to deal with at worst pedos and murderers. These people belong to a group with a religious framework that are committing acts of war.
I can't comprehend how he has an expensive lawyer strolling around talking about what his wishes are.
Even if he spends the rest of his life in jail, with 3 halal meals per day, a mattress and a TVs, surrounded by other Moroccans, how is that a sufficient punishment?
He's the centre piece of two horrible atrocities, he belongs in Guantanamo or an American supermax. Or thrown off the fucking atomium.
That's because justice and revenge are two different things.
He gets a lawyer because EVERYONE gets one.
yes, that's true, everyone has right to a lawyer, PRO deo if needed.
His question is why has a one of the TOP lawyers in the country and extremely expensive.
Don't put his words out of context.
Considering that he seems to be advocating for both torture (Guantanamo) and murder (throwing him off the atomium) I'm disinclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
For everyone else, it's quite possible his lawyer took the case in part because it's a high profile case, and that's good for business.
Because we have a free market? Seriously. Should lawyers be assigned by the government based on what people "deserve"? What are you, a communist?
Everyone has the right to lawyer (but this cunt is just mediageil)
Guantanamo is inhumane and we should not lower ourselves to their level.
But i do think he should be segragated from muslims, give him whatever de pot schaft and just a room with a bed and some books
They do, and they should. But it's not right that the perpetrators of the worst crimes since WWII now has one of the best lawyers of Belgium.
Why is it inhumane?
I read yesterday that Breivik has 3 cells - one for sleeping, one for living (computer & playstation) and one to do his own laundry.
I mean WTF?
The courts need to be fair; but there has to be some kind of special category of crimes that are should be considered outside of the usual criminal courts that weren't designed to dealing with this.
I think the Americans got it right with their "enemy combattant" status.
Do you really worry of the humane aspect for the punishment of the worst crimes in Belgium since ... ?
Have you actually given some deep thought to what these people have done?
Yes. To both of those questions.
Because of these "Western Values" that get thrown around so much these days. Human rights are human rights, and last time I checked, ISIS members are still human.
ISIS does horrible, despicable things every day. What they want goes against everything I stand for. They take human rights and wipe their arses with them.
But that doesn't mean I will do the same.
A court isn't a place of vengeance, and rightful so.
If you want to cut off his head, go join IS.
The lawyer volunteered days (or weeks or months, I don't know) before the guy was captured. And the family took him on the offer. It's just publicity for the lawyer.
his P.O.S. lawyer is going to find some procedural error and get him out. mark my words. and we'll have people celebrating this as "proof that the system works".
Mostly, I think that if he isn't condemned to life in prison, in a high-security cell, either here or in France, the backlash will be huge. But the scary thing is, a part of me also thinks that what you're saying might happen.
I don't think that would be possible. Whoever pulls the strings will prevent this from happening, even if it violates the constitution or they have to invoke martial law or whatever.
If he's turned free there will be riots in the streets, don't count on it.
I guess its the other "Moroccans" he want to flee from, since he did not blow himself up and was willing to cooperate with the police. I guess he thinks France can protect him better from ISIS and I guess his assumptions are right.