This is kind of getting out of hand. Either step-up your game and get the gear (srsly, you can get 500ap with "old" content gear) or create your own damn lobbies. Let the people that don't want to risk having dead weight in they'r group set whatever requirements they want. It does not concern you in the slightest.
Posted Apr 10, 2016, 11:23 PM UTC
It seems pretty odd to me aswell, Why they complain about the lobbys of other people insteead of just making their own, with their desired AP requirement
Because the whole thing has become a meme. It's hilarious to see people setting AP reqs on easy stuff. It makes sense to set a req on a 4-man from the 50 patch onwards, but for everything else it can only be seen as a joke.
because people want to be carried fam. playing on my main = i do the carrying. playing on my alt = thank god that fm had 450+ ap (last/couple patches ago) of course when i played on my alt i wanted to get into those high req parties.
NCSoft should just implement generous-moderate AP requirements on the higher end dungeons. The ~400-420 AP range is enough to get at least 6 man Yeti done, and if you have a skillful group, possibly even 4 man with ~450 AP. The problem with AP requirement posts is that it takes away from the MMO aspect. People are inherently excluded from even joining lobbies because they are too casual and their gear is not up to par because some people have more free time. NCSoft should take this matter into their own hands rather than have players ostracize one another based on gear.
NCsoft setting up a 400~420 AP requirement is not going to stop people from ostracizing others. People will STILL form 500 AP+ parties.
I think this guy just missed the point; the real point of AP requirements would be to make "LFP" a more viable option for people wanting to jump into 6man endgame dungeons. Right now, you can pretty easily end up with a bunch of 360AP/35%crit/170%cdmg people, who are not contributing much.
hence why everyone is making their own party with their own preference of gear LOL. I dont understand. The whole reason the LFP button got dropped is because of that very reason and the inability to kick said problem. So now people set an AP req and farm their dungeons happily, while everyone else below can also make their own. To me it just seems like everyone is either lazy as a fucking sloth or just expecting at least one person to carry them. Because even though most partys are asking for 490+ or w.e there are still people at 420 much like the hypothetical version of you im making for this example that want to do yeti, do you know what you do then? MAKE A PARTY FOR 420+. I know crazy right? This happens in every MMO and BnS is by no miracle an exception. People will always make a party with gears similar to their's for the sheer convenience of time saved. To people who dont play the game casually they probably value it much more then any of the casuals, that said this will go over everyone thats basically at 420 or below by now. No surprise, people at that 500 ap or higher spend significant hours in the game and they'd like to make it an efficient spenditure of there time.
I did yeti 6 where 4/6 had just around 400 ap, another with 450, and myself with 510. Was able to do it a couple times, but just hitting the enrage barrier. But able to do it because people go the frozen circles. Now, Ive been in 500+ groups, and wiped over and over because people dont do mechanics.
But able to do it because people go the frozen circles.
The best part is that you lose DPS by stepping on the ice compared to ignoring it and using AOE iframes.
Talking about having full 6 out or just a few that you can iframe?
It doesn't matter how many AOEs there are if you can just block the last few/last one.
yeah, but don't you get frozen if you take any? I've done it plenty of times, but the only way I've killed it is do the frozen circles because I'm always frozen to take the last hit. now, if there's 1 or 2 circles, I iframe the 2 and live.
I'm aware that gear isn't everything. I'm also not advocating making 500+ 5k crit only lobbies. I just don't understand why does it trigger ppl so much. I personally never made group with such requirement even tho i have 520ap and 4,5k crit myself
Because reddit is where everyone and their mother voices their opinion, and when you have a decently sized population, it will be mostly "average" players. It's the same reason the majority of league of legends/cs:go/dota reddittors are silver rank for example. When a majority feels excluded they tend to complain.
I straight kick people without true breeze most of the time the few times I f8 (I do most of my dungeons locally anyway), because downvotes on reddit don't mean I won't get a geared party. This is just where people come to cry about it. Same applies to every game sub.
Haha, true breeze. I laugh when I see players with true breeze weapon and awakened siren jewelry even infernal jewelry considering for the price, true siren>oathbreaker is by far better than true breeze weapon.
i too have been in 500+ AP groups with Doctor Lawyer Korean Pro Gamers on $6000 machines and they do wipe all the time, but not my full true infernal group of homeless players leeching wifi and tethered connections because we were all very skill mechanics.
Why do people always feel the need to magnify simple examples. What are you trying to prove? Ofc there's a limit in everything but that's not the point. Give 600AP characters to people who have no idea how to play, they're gonna fail. Good players can do more with less, but it's better to generalize since u don't know what to expect from randoms and btw if you're at 500ap you're probably good. there's also team comps and the fact that not everything always go according to plan.
They're not simple examples, they're anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias. It's the same shit every time, in every game with gear disparity.
oh ya i grouped with a bunch of really geared players and they were all shit compared to my poorly geared groups lmao bunch of geared shitters getting carried amirite boys?
It's a defense mechanism for having shit gear basically.
Let them QQ, I don't even know what they're complaining about. People have stats requirements because 1) More AP is always better and 2) it usually means you've played more and therefore you're more experienced. Just because it went well one time with a full group of true profane doesn't mean it will consistently go the same way, especially when players are matched randomly. And I can confirm I have shitty gear myself lol
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500 ap = braindead mode on any PVE
I wanna see in what groups those people with low AP atm will go when they get 500 AP, i guarantee it they ll do the same thing and ask for 500+ ap themselves
People need to realize that the difference between 450 ap and 500 ap is 10% which is basically nothing if u think about it knowing the fight is way more important that Ap in general.
Tbh i dont really care if u want to sit 30 min to wait for someone with 550 ap or not BUT i think it is killing the game for casual players who cant play that long and have like 440 ap trying to see the content and if casual players quit the game it will die out...
When I see BSH and Poh 500+ requirements, I will laugh in their faces all I want because they are a joke regardless of how "fast" they want to complete it.
Oh fuck off. They have all the right to be mad about the insane ridiculous ammount of ap you and others such as yourself demand in the recruitment window. Asking for 500 ap for the new heroics in 6 man is ridiculous and it makes people with bad gear have no chance of ever doing the fucking dungeon and learning the content. Why not get 2-3 "pros" like yourself with a billion ap and crit rate and take some "newbs" with 400 ap with you. Thats more than enough. Show them the basics, teach them the mechanic if you're so fucking professional. People are doing yeti 4 man with 430 ap so please fuck off. What an asshole Jesus Christ.
That's like saying that I'm obligated to pay for someone else's healthcare simply because I'm rich and he's poor and unable to afford it. And because I don't wish to do 'good' for someone else now I'm labelled an asshole?
Keeping the analogy you created, no, you're an asshole because you are rich and yet still bothered about the poor complaining they are poor. Thats a pretty asshole kind of thing to do. I mean, its not enough that you are rich, you have to come out here and insult the poor for being poor? Get me?
Did i type something invisible that only you can see?In what part of whatever I wrote did I even slightly hint at anything to do with insulting the poor? The only thing I wrote about the poor is that they cannot afford healthcare. If that seemed insulting to you,please consider doing some self-reflection with regards to how easily you take offense. All I was doing is calling a spade a spade. And frankly,this is only an analogy I am using and in no way would i consider myself 'rich',both in game and real life.
The analogy you created and that i continued to use was in regards to the op. I thought you meant that aswell, since you know, you made it. The op pretty much said "stop crying about not being rich enough to play with me". Since he seems bothered by the ammount of posts regarding the ridiculous requirements for dungeons, which i can only assume are being created by ungeared people, its kinda sounds like the rich being offended by the poor who speak out about being poor. Hope you understand now.
2 words mate... Seek Help
woaw thank you random stranger on the internet. You must be some kind of next level psychologist to such an eye for deranged people over 1 internet phrase.
You actually cannot get 500ap with the old content gear. I have full true siren +true pirate dagger and a 25ap gem and I'm only at like 481. Im missing the soul which is 10. So 491. Now you're gonna tell me "you can buy the 35AP gem which is old gear" yeah nobody is spending 500 gold for 10 more ap. I don't really give a shit if you require 500ap or not but at least make an honest post.
You get more AP from level 45-50 and then from more hongmoon levels. So yes, you still can get 500 AP with old gear, just might require you having max old gear and be a couple HM levels
this is false though, i'm at 509 with true pirate weapon and true siren accessories at HM6 without even using the meme awakened oathbreaker bracelet
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Technically you can get 500AP you just have to get HM10 however that's besides the point. All you really have to do is get an Awakaned Oathbreaker bracelet and you should have enough AP to join pugs which is really not that hard to do.
People had ~470 at 45 hm5 and I think around 480 was max. So add 5 levels plus hm6/7 you can get 500+ with old gear.
I'm not gonna tell you jack honestly, i just find it weird how someone elses group requirements trigger so many people. I didn't mean to be literate on the old gear, i mean, you could but yeah, simply upgrading your bracelet pushes you to 500. Also you could get Naryu lab achievement for bonus ap if u wanna be picky
I'm way more elitist than all of you, i started running 4man only with 1v1 diamonds in EU. Sometimes it takes a while but then you can multirun it pretty fast and very clean always.
They wanna get carried duh. But yeah it's basically akin to me asking why I need a degree to do some simple tech job. Obviously because the guy with a degree is going to do it a bit better and faster than me and not because I can't do it at all ;p
Not really, owning a ferrari doesn't make you a good driver. I guess the 4mans might be the exception otherwise there's no content in the game that requires 500ap unless you're a total tool.
That being said I'm fine with those groups.
Exactly what my post said. Not required but done for the purpose of speed. Same reason a pro racer drives the ferrari and not the pinto.
I have 513 AP, so i don't wanna grp with 440 or lower.. Rather have people around the same gear as me :) I usally join the grps with 460 or higger requirement
Ok
514 AP and what I don't understand is that by setting AP requirements high or even looking for specific classes (WL only etc) you take longer trying to get the "faster group" by sitting in dungeon lobby than you do accepting someone slightly below what your stat requirements are.
Besides that, what I don't like about the requirements is just that its a bad habit. There are setups that are higher DPS but you have to sacrifice AP for them (for example, using Python Necklace + Python Bracelet instead of HM neck/brace at 55% or higher crit, you get a ton of crit damage but lose like 24 AP compared to true siren necklace + true oathbreaker bracelet).
I've even seen people with 500 AP but they have 30% crit rate. I'd rather have something like a 430-450 with 50%+ crit rate instead of that. Having a good crit rate + crit damage is better than having high AP, and someone with the better crit rate probably knows what they're doing when gearing up -- whereas that 500 ap player with 30% crit is likely to just simply have good weapon but not good game knowledge or mechanics, or even a good build.
Once we get elemental gear, there's no way you'll be able to judge someone simply by looking at their AP. You'll be sacrificing some AP and/or crit damage to get elemental damage because of multiplicatives and how they work.
TL;DR: Makes more sense to ask for 450+ AP and, say, 4.5k+ crit than it does for just simply 500+ AP.
I completely agree with everything you wrote. All im saying its noones business if someone is asking for 500+ for whatever reason because i saw at least 2 posts complaining about it today. I had plenty BDs/Destroyers/Summoners with 500+ ap that straight up grab yeti for full duration after his heat suction.
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Bingo. Who cares how long it takes to find a solid group if you're all in the mindset of farming the dungeon for 5 hours. That 2-3 extra minutes at the start becomes pretty negligible, when you compare it to the 3-5 minutes per run that you can save (or, if we're talking 4man necro, the 10-20 mins you can save...).