[Wsib] Games where I can fuck off in a tavern.

[PC]

More specifically, a single player (or multi-player, I guess) RPG with a living world around you, where you can just chill and watch the world play out.

The things that I've played that come closest are Fable (1 and 2, never really got into 3) Skyrim (and the predecessors, though for this exact request I feel that a modded out Skyrim works best. If you have good mod suggestions for any of the games, I'll happily take those too) and... actually, that's about it.

PC is preferable. Dwarf Fortress adventure mode comes really close to scratching that itch, but npcs don't really do anything in that game, unfortunately. I haven't played Dragons Dogma, Amaleur, or most of the Witcher (briefly played the first) but I'm under the impression that these are more traditional "you're the only important character" rpgs.

Posted Jun 18, 2016, 10:29 AM UTC

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bigbearboy144•

Shadow of Mordor? Little bit left of field, but the nemesis system is as good as it sounds, if not better. Not only does it lead to emergent gameplay, it also lends itself to a dynamic, constantly shifting heirarchy. Shit happens, whether you're there or not, often times I've run into multiple captains, and they've started duking it out because...coincidence.

I also recommend Fallout 4 for the world happening bit. Loathe the game personally, but it's remarkable how you'll be doating along, and hear gunshots and lasers in the distance. Then a loud explosion as the Brotherhood Vertibird is shot down...for the umpteenth time in the area. Near diamond city especially, DC guards get into fights with the super mutants all the time.

Red Faction: Guerilla is pseudo-RPG, but the world most definitely happens, and sometimes in a hilarious fashion. Bit of a minor entrant in all honesty.

STALKER is a big one I think. Everyone else is basically like you, just another STALKER off doing shit. Can't say much about this because I'm not really far into it, and only the first one. Buuutttt...there are factions (at least in the later ones i think) which are constantly warring. You can be asked to come help defend shit. But the world happens with or without you.

Something which isn't quite "fuck off in a tavern" (or even terribly good imho) is State of Decay. The player character can literally be ANYONE from your settlement. If they die, no big deal, you have other characters at home. Of course, there's skills and what not, so dying matters, but I think it's a neat idea. You can also direct your "agents" to pick up supplies you've found, and sometimes they get in trouble which requires you to unfuck their situation.

Just Cause 3 is hilariously unstable even without user input. By unstable, I mean you can literally stand off the side of the road, wait approx. 2 minutes, and there will be explosions, gun fire etc. How do I know? Youtube video of this very thing happening in Just Cause 3. Probably not what you're after in an ideal sense, but it's nicer to watch than GTA's shenanigans.

X3:Terran Conflict is also another (strong) contender, just set in space. Everyone has shit to do, you have shit to do, not really universe hinging shit to do, choose what flavour of shit you do indeed "do". I hear bad things about X:Rebirth, but whatevs, you'll find out what works.

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Hellknightx•

STALKER is a really good example. The world simulation is pretty remarkable. X3: Terran Conflict (or Albion Prelude) is pretty grand too, although the game itself isn't for everyone.

Haven't played State of Decay, although you make it sound like a good choice. I may have to pick it up myself.

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IanjohnOP•

Shadow of Mordor did it for me for a bit, but it grew old pretty fast. It got to the point where I had to start influencing the AI because they were too incompetent to take down my dominated orcs. Plus, "resting" million times got old.

Stalker and X3 are almost perfect. I keep trying to play X3 but, shit, seems like it takes a while to get into. Still, it seems perfect, and I also love the idea of running a trade empire. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

I've been watching my buddy play fallout 4 and I have to admit, it seems pretty fun exploring Downtown and all the chaos that unfolds. I'll probably wait for some overhaul mods to come out before I pick it up though.

I'll also check out state of decay. I hadn't heard of this one at all. Thanks!

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DontTouchTheWalrus•

Ok out of the last four games you mentioned what is the best in your opinion. Not really sure what x3 is about anyway but I've been looking at these for a while.

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IanjohnOP•

X is like a single-player EVE. Bit less spreadsheety though, it's very interesting.

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6fingers4toes•

GTA5 has some fun stuff like that. people are always getting hurt in that game without my help

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caltheon•

when I first read the title i missed the word "off". GTA would still apply in that case

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knivesinmyeyes•

I second GTA 5. Especially if you turn off your HUD and map and get into first-person. It's a whole other experience in my opinion.

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IanjohnOP•

Might have to check this out. How does it compare to gta4 in this regard? Gta4 was pretty fun (loved watching cops chase people) but a bit limited

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6fingers4toes•

It's deeper than gta4 for sure. People playing tennis, hiking, etc. But it's just NPCs with more hobbies really. They still interact similarly.

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Eshyj•

World of Warcraft, Moon Guard realm, Goldshire inn. Plenty of world watching to go on there.

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mangedrabbit•

Is... is that the ERP place?

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Eshyj•

Yes that is where you can buy Extra Ripe Potatoes.

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McMammoth•

That's the duels place.

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IanjohnOP•

Sword duels

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IanjohnOP•

Been there, done that.

On a serious note, Silvermoon was perfect. I was a guard just chilling and people watching, and occasionally I'd (whaddya know) go to the tavern and see what was up. I never raided so this was as basement dweller-y as I got.

I kinda wish more mmos had an rp community. Especially one as mature and refined as Moon Guard (hue hue)

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Hellknightx•

The Guild 2: Renaissance. A game where you control a dynasty in a medieval european region. You can run businesses and try to take out rival dynasties in real-time. You can just sort of blend in and watch the cities grow, politics, etc.

You can join politics and run for office, try to run the best tavern in the city, trade goods between cities, run a thieves' guild and pickpocket everyone that passes through a busy market, etc. One of my favorites. The cities will run themselves. You just live in them and try to gain influence in them.

Also, Crusader Kings 2, maybe. You still have to monitor what's going on, but the world will do it's own thing with or without you.

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DontTouchTheWalrus•

Guild sounds awesome! Is it kind of like mount and blade?

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Hellknightx•

They both scratch the same itch for me. I saw M&B suggested here, and it immediately made me think of Guild 2. They're not really similar games, genre-wise, but they give you total freedom over what you do.

Guild is less combat-heavy, but more economy-building. If you like one, I'm sure you'll enjoy the other.

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IanjohnOP•

CK is rad but not quite what I'm looking for. The Guild is intriguing though. I remember seeing it a bit ago and largely ignoring it, but I'll give it a shot now. Thank you!

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Riou_Atreides•

Rare to see someone mentions about The Guild franchise.

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Hellknightx•

It's a great series. Looking forward to the third game, hopefully this year.

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Riou_Atreides•

Yea it is. I like the political powers the seats have and the way you influence others to vote for your family members so that you can climb up with your families.

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Rawnblade1214•

Mm mount and blade? You can download the Floris mod and join an army, and just participate in giant fights without much responsibility, pretending to be a nobody. I really enjoyed dicking around in this game

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IanjohnOP•

I haven't tried the Floris mod. My only issue with Mount and Blade is that there's no real overworld to explore (the campaign map is always visible and doesn't really have anything to "find") and cities are the very definition of static. But the idea of wandering around with an army and seeing what happens is really appealing.

Welp, back to mount and blade, I guess

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explore_a_world•

Else Heart Break() does a pretty good job of this

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IanjohnOP•

This looks like it could either be amazing or terrible. I'm definitely gonna check it out. Thank you!!

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explore_a_world•

No problem

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Hallrugo•

Some suggestions in this topic I made awhile back -

https://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/49hnw8/why_i_love_taverns/

  • BIS games - Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment (and Pillars of Eternity)
  • The Witcher series
    
  • Mass Effect series
    
  • STALKER series (the accents are terrible, but hilarious)
    
  • Dragon Age series
    
  • The Elder Scrolls series
    

+more in other poster's comments.

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terefor•

I don't think that's what OP is looking for. If you do nothing in those games then nothing happens.

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Hallrugo•

Things happen, they're not just not super remarkable and can be repetitive. I see your point but I can't think of any games that are an exception to that. Living worlds are still pretty limited by simplistic AI and proceduralization options.

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njm1314•

Maybe in the third Dragon Age game, I don't know I've never played it, but in the first two? No, nothing happens if you aren't moving things along.

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IanjohnOP•

Ooh, Stalker! I totally forgot about that.

There's no real fucking off in a tavern, but it's definitely fun wandering the world and watching shit interact with each other.

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astrobeansAgricultural Psychologist•

I think you might be looking over the Radiant AI in oblivion. To give a laments explanation of it, some civilians will be Skooma addicts, and if they come across a civilian who is a Skooma dealer, sometimes they will attempt to kill them and steal the drugs. All of the unique but subtle interactions are really pretty incredible.

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IanjohnOP•

Oblivion and Skyrim did have a lot of little interactions like this, but after playing it for long enough they really just stopped at that; little interactions. It felt like the characters had very strict schedules, diverging from them only when one of their invisible "needs" hit the red, when they went in search of food or drink. Skooma was just one of these needs assigned to certain characters.

It's cool, but it started to feel pretty hollow after a bit. Their actions rarely had any impact on the world, and usually amounted to animations. There were some mods that fleshed npcs out a bit, and that might be what I end up going for.

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jml011•

I want to say The Bard's Tale series (first modern one on the original xbox and all three are on Steam), but you'll have to take a look and see if this has what you're talking about.

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Arashmickey•

Planetside, from time to time I love to use stalker cloaking to go permanently invisible and just watch the war rage on.

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IanjohnOP•

Not quite what I was looking for, but this sounds very fun, too. I just upgraded my gpu too, so maybe I'll just stalk some players tonight.

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Arashmickey•

Hey it's free, or at least the price is a really huge download.

The tricky part is knowing where the big fights are happening.

The r/planetside subreddit will give you all the answers, but here's the 4 minute version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuD6HpbdqWM

Here's the 10 minute version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfhih71xcwM

(also make sure you equip the Stalker cloaking device for permanent cloaking, not the Hunter cloak)

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mightyugly•

Guild Wars 2. It's free to play now.

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astrobeansAgricultural Psychologist•

Cities: Skylines.

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Rawnblade1214•

Huh?

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astrobeansAgricultural Psychologist•

You can just watch your people go through their everyday routines, assuming they're not all starving to death.

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Rawnblade1214•

People can't starve to death in cities skylines, are you thinkin of banished?

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astrobeansAgricultural Psychologist•

I didn't mean literally. I mean if you're being so inept at setting up your city that it becomes Detroit.

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Dalek_Saboteur•

For an mmorpg that hasnt already been recommended id say Runescape If your willing to go old school... its still free and it will run on just about anything,

Fallout 3 or New Vegas if you get one on sale with all the dlc and mod it out it could work (Similarly to skyrim with mods, its fun and you can do/watch other things in the world play out but for major story changes you have to do the work)

GTA V Online mode could also scratch that itch.... If you can stay alive or join a light server....

Thats all i can think of atm,

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Sugarbeet•

Not PC but Red Dead Redemption has some good wild west saloons. You can hang out, drink, play cards, dice, etc... Usually ends in a gun-fight.

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IanjohnOP•

Have you played GUN at all? Unfortunately I don't own a 360 or I'd pick this up in a heartbeat, but gun is supposed to be in a similar vein.

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Sugarbeet•

I haven't played GUN unfortunately so I can't speak to it.

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TimothyVH•
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astrobeansAgricultural Psychologist•

To save some people time, the game is called Shoppe Keep.

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