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DaRootbear

[Vorthos] Emrakul is not the Eldritch Moon

So bear with me. We know there's a second invisible moon, presumably the Eldritch Moon, that's been on ISD since Jace arrived.

We know a lot of madness has been disrupted leylines, and full corruption Emrakul.

Except Emrakul only just arrived with Avacyns Unmaking. Which means the Eldritch Moon is something else. It is whatever ancient deity the Nephalia worshipped. Something different.

It is Marit Lage.

In his house at Eldritch Moon dead Marit Lage waits dreaming

Posted Jun 22, 2016, 6:05 PM UTC

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necrotechnical•

Your theory is not valid. Sorin Made the silver moon. It is without Marit.

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gcsmith•

Um, he didn't make the moon. He used parts of the moon to helvault.

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DaRootbearOP•

He was just going for the pun

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necrotechnical•

I was trying to PUN-ISH him.

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DaRootbearOP•

I love you quite a bit

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DaRootbearOP•

Well i guess this topic is over by a Lage shot

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necrotechnical•

It might be Shrew'd to shut it down.

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itsbackthewayucamee•

i see what you did there

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Gulaghar•

Pretty sure it was Emrakul. The "Eldritch Moon" was merely Emrakul's presence, not able to fully enter the plane due to Avacyn, but still able to exert some influence.

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DaRootbearOP•

The moon is definitely physically on the plane, it was influencing tides and other physical aspects. Which is why i think it is definitely different than Emrakul

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Gulaghar•

That's part of what I was referring to when I said, "exert some influence." Just because she wasn't able to fully enter the plane doesn't mean that she was cut off from physical influence on top of the madness stuff. There's really no reason to think anything but Emrakul is involved here.

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TwentyFive_Shmeckles•

Emrakul was kinda on the plane, blocked by the planes last line of defense. His presence could be felt by the inhabitants (madness). His presence could be felt by the tides (he's huge).

Also emrakul is gender neutral but I'm not really sure what pronoun to use?

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DaRootbearOP•

Emrakul is genderless, but refered to as a Her, kozilek and ulamog refered to masculine. Based on zendikari religions

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Gulaghar•

It's she based on the god Emeria that was inspired by her memory. See [[Shrine of the Forsaken Gods]] for reference.

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DaRootbearOP•

Emrakul is the Lovecraftian aspect of the story, in lovecraft you know who it is, but the goal of the story is to find out why the God is there.

But he is also the Mystery aspect in theory by the fact that he is also a Red Herring. He is made out to be the answer to the big mystery, but we all pretty much were certain it was her.

However this is also a mystery story, and I believe Emrakul is the penultimate answer to the mystery. The character that fits almost every solution but the investigators realize there is one part missing, and that the true answer to the mystery hasn't been found.

While it doesn't necessarily mean it's marit lage, ill admit that's fully my hope, going with the fact that they've made sure to repeatedly mention the Ancient Being that Nephalia worshipped, the physical aspects that don't fit with Emrakul being unable to enter the plane (though i admit it could be as you said, planar geography/astronomy is different than real life and it could have been her), and how it would finish the aspect of the mystery- finding out the "who" instead of the "why", a reversal of how lovecraftian stories go.

And it would also fit with the fact that originally Emrakul was not part of SOI and was switched into the SOI story when part of the way through BFZ/OGW switched to a 2 block story, meaning there was something else originally planned for SOI.

Also, in just an incredibly hopeful idea for myself with 0 evidence, it would allow one of the most fun tropes, fighting deities with no respect to humanity. Godzilla style fights where both creatures wear each other out then are beaten.

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KulnathLordofRuin•

going with the fact that they've made sure to repeatedly mention the Ancient Being that Nephalia worshipped

They actually haven't mentioned that once in any of the build up to SOI, not even as a red herring, that speculation was entirely based on mentions in the original Innistrad. Also, Emrakul doesn't have to be on the plane to affect it, in fact she isn't on the plane even now. From Jaces conversation with Ugin in "Revelations at the Eye":

"The Eldrazi titans do not dwell in physical space," said Ugin. "They are creatures of the Blind Eternities, and it is in the Eternities that they remain." "Until they manifest physically, you mean?" "No," said Ugin. "I meant what I said. Ulamog remains in the Eternities." "Then what did I see heading toward Sea Gate?" "You saw a portion of him," said Ugin. "A projection

And Emrakul's presence is known to warp gravity, as can be seen on [[gravitational shift]].

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Gulaghar•

And it would also fit with the fact that originally Emrakul was not part of SOI and was switched into the SOI story when part of the way through BFZ/OGW switched to a 2 block story, meaning there was something else originally planned for SOI.

I want to address this in particular. It's actually not true. People speculated that when Maro said that Emrakul was initially planned to be in the third BFZ set before the restructuring happened. However, the theme of Innistrad's story was not the result of this. Source.

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BananaLinks•

If I recall correctly, Ulamog's fully manifested form was compared to a moon of sorts when he/it was dragged fully into the plane of Zendikar by Nissa and the leylines. Maybe the second "moon" is Emrakul's true form lurking on the edges of the plane that border the Blind Eternities.

Edit: It was Kozilek's crown when Kozilek fully manifested that was compared to an "insane moon."

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DaRootbearOP•

I do admit, my dismal on the moon aspect being Emrakul is possible, how Astrnomy/geology works on planes in comparison to blind eternities is not fully explored in lore.

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Klendy•

emmy gonna get locked in the moon

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Vaxid•

Emrakul is physically in the realm though, and the symbol for the xpac is him.

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