A little off topic, but who are we Heinleinites voting for?
Posted Jul 24, 2016, 4:47 PM UTC · edited
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I'm for Johnson. Not only do I think he'd be legitimately good in office, but the liberty movement has really picked up steam over the last few decades just as the main parties are rotting from within. We're ripe for one or both to be replaced as one of the two contenders game theoretically mandated by the first past the post voting system, or else to have its agenda adopted from within by one of the existing leaders, presumably the Republicans.
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I was contemplating just writing in a long string of explitives and voting for that.
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Fuckshit Pissfuck 2016!
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Does it matter? They are all officers of subsidiaries of Shipstone.
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The obvious choice to me is Gary Johnson.
If independents and third party supporters can rally around a certain issue, party, or candidate sufficiently to begin securing electoral college votes, and a handful of state and federal legislative and executive positions over multiple election cycles, one or both parties WILL choose to adopt positions from that party/candidate/position when they realize doing so will provide them with an easy 5-15 point swing. That's more than enough for either major party to secure a legislative plurality or the presidency in an average election cycle.
I'll be voting with my heart rather than perpetuating the corruption of the two party system, and hoping that this is the election where enough Americans finally have the integrity to do the same.
It has happened before!
Republicans adopted the southern strategy in response to the success of Segregationist george wallace.
Agriculture subsidies became part of the public dialogue due to the Populist movement in the late 19th century, and indeed agriculture is heavily subsidized today.
The Green party forced Democrats to at least give lip service to environmental issues. Now it's time for the libertarian and socialist parties to leave a mark!
“You are kept apart that you may be separately fleeced of your earnings. You are made to hate each other because upon that hatred is rested the keystone of the arch of financial despotism which enslaves you both. You are deceived and blinded that you may not see how this antagonism perpetuates a monetary system which beggars both.” - this was part of a speech addressed to a mixed race crowd gathering in support of a third party presidential candidate 100 years ago, but it very much applies to Republicans and Democrats, libertarians and progressives today, imo.
Who are you voting for, and why?
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I will vote for Johnson if they let me vote; they usually don't.
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Why not? Felon? Didn't register? Vote for Johnson dammit!
I'm a felon too, end tha muthafucking drug war please.
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I'm not willing to show ID (without, say, a warrant and some showing of probable cause) since the 24th amendment prohibits such schemes. Although so far I have lost my lawsuits, and my amicus briefs have been ignored,I keep fighting it. I think I'm doing more for the county by trying to win the right to vote for (nearly) everybody than I would accomplish by giving in an voting.
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This is an interesting perspective. Don't you think it'd be hard to stop people voting multiple times if they weren't required to show ID of some sort when voting? Seems like kind of a lose-lose I guess.
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the benefit per extra vote is minimal, not more than $50, and it's a felony, easy to detect, would require a person be a competent forger, that the person they are trying to impersonate hadn't already voted yet, wasn't known to any of the precinct officials, etc. although the practice was common 100 years ago in places like chicago and boston, it's very rare today, because its one of the least efficient methods of voter fraud. using an unconstitutional voter ID program to prevent 1000s of votes is a much more serious kind of voter fraud,and is increasingly common. in the old days they would just hire goons to steal ballot boxes; this a modern day version of the same thing.
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Yes it does seem like it would be hard to stop people from voting for other people around their own age and gender, if they knew they weren't going to vote.
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I've never been asked for ID to vote. The clerks just usually have printouts of names and addresses and ask me to verify my address
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That's how it should be.
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Just don't turn into this guy.
Here's his disturbing YouTube channel. I follow it religiously, it's my reality TV. I feel quite bad because he is obviously very intelligent.
I found him thru this YouTube comment he left on a video of Sturgil Simpson's Tiny Desk appearance.
Do you have a copy of your lawsuit or a blog or anything?
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https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/fa3a4f2682405f5e42_jbm6bhn9i.pdf
here is one of the briefs. more by pm's if needed.
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I loathe Hilary Clinton. I loathe the idea of Trump representing the United States even more.
If Trump seems close to winning, I will vote for Clinton as part of my "VOTE FOR THE LESSER EVIL 2016" strategy, but I will vote a straight Republican ticket otherwise to try to throw checks and balances in her way.
If Trump, God Help Us, looks close to winning I'll vote a straight Democratic Ticket. I haven't voted for a Democratic Presidential Candidate since 1996, but I'll do it to stop him.
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Thankfully, I'm not American. This doesn't look like there are any good options.
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Clinton.
I wanted Sanders and strongly disliked Clinton.
I'm scared of Trump for a variety of reasons.
I grew up reading Heinlein's books for boys. As an adult I abhor the political stances he had. I loved Stranger In A Strange Land, but I didn't care much for his other novels for adults. I did like many of his short stories meant for adults.
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Trump of course. There is no other choice for those who support Heinlein's ideals. First and foremost was his belief in the primary freedom everyone should have: To protect oneself. All other candidates have made it clear that they will take away guns. The one thing that Heinlein pointed out was the start of every dictatorship and loss of all freedoms. So. If you want to vote against the basis of everything Heinlein believed in, don't vote Trump.
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I'm sure most Heinlein readers support Johnson if they've read the Moon is a Harsh mistress
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Clinton. As Heinlein said, when it comes to governments, the difference between bad and worse is much greater than the difference between good and better. If you believe that, then it follows that voting for the lesser of two evils is your most important vote.
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Jill Stein. She's a doctor and her approach to healing this country is based off a physician's philosophy of care. I'm OK with Gary Johnson as well, but I believe in slightly more government than the Libertarians.
I'm reading The Moon is a Harsh Mistress right now and wishing we had a friendly AI to help sort this mess.
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I supported Sanders despite my Libertarian philosophy because he was obviously the only candidate of the the 2 major parties wasn't working for the corporations. He really seems to care about us.
Now, unless HRC goes into some death spiral and Sanders becomes the default candidate, I revert to Gary Johnson for the same reasons I always voted Libertarian; that it is my philosophy, no way I could vote for either HRC or Donnie Jingles and Gary Johnson is a very good executive politician.
It's interesting that for very similar reasons, I supported Cruz until he dropped out, despite a general libertarian and atheist makeup. I think Johnson will catch a lot of Cruz and Sanders falloff, which is remarkable, given how different they are from each other, though similar in their distinction from Clinton / Trump.
Also, I'm guessing that given your use of "Donnie Jingles" we share a fanship in addition to Heinlein. :-) (It would be awesome if that isn't true and that name has permeated the general culture.)
That would be awesome but I love keeping track of the Penn universe via various podcasts. (Gilbert, Ice cream and Emery in particular) I use that "nom de derision" whenever it comes up in conversation.
I also voted for Sanders in the primary because the Republican delegates were clinched in my state and I didn't have to register as a Democrat to vote for him.