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Hadodan

How to deal with Soulmass?

Question

I'm incredibly salty about this spell. I feel like if gives you no fair options against it.

I've started meeting more sorcerers at SL120, and although some just try to do the typical soulmass + CSS to one shot you, there's the couple that try to fire off their soulmass when you don't expect it and hit you for insane damage without even using the CSS.

That's my issue. If you try rushing them and approaching them, you get hit by the soulmass (and worst part is that they don't lose them...), and sometimes they fire off on their own without the sorcerer being locked to you. If you don't rush them and stay back, then you're vulnerable to eating huge damage from the soulmass at any moment or any other spell, and you have nothing but rolling sideways against it.

Everyone complains about how bad sorceries are but this one's ridiculous. You can do nothing against it except try to force them to shoot it and dodge it. Pray you knew when it was firing or have inhuman reflexes to i-frame through them. And that they don't decide to use Farron Flashsword in your face. Oh, and then you'll have to pray that they don't just cast another Soulmass. Or that they don't mix it up and cast a CSS instead.

Spoiler: they will.

EDIT: I realize that the more soulmass-relying playstyles I found are still rare and so people here either won't exactly know of what I'm talking about (thinking I mean how to avoid it from 10m away and only have to once) or can't help much because they haven't had any experience against them. I have the impression that this kind of sorcerer playstyle's gonna become popular and known soon.

Posted Jul 27, 2016, 1:18 AM UTC · edited

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paperwing•

Roll roll roll!

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crimpysuasagesTop tier (no really) PvP | twitch.tv/wolfspud | MM4Wildcard•

You need to learn your roll timings and improve tour reaction, my friend. I've sunk nearly 300+ hours into PvP and I've only recently gotten the timing and the bait down on Soulmass.

Also, CSS is pretty easy to see coming.

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

The times CSS is a problem is when the sorcerer relies almost entirely on Soulmass, so when you see them casting something, you think that it's your chance to punish them for trying to recast soulmass.

Then you get hit by a CSS.

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crimpysuasagesTop tier (no really) PvP | twitch.tv/wolfspud | MM4Wildcard•

Punish for recasting soulmass? Nah just dodge and wait for them to run out of Ashen estus then collapse when they try to chug. Works every time...

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

They tend to never fire it. But if they're playing like a bitch, then I might as well... I thought of that one.

Hopefully they don't have as many ashens as I'm afraid they'll have.

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crimpysuasagesTop tier (no really) PvP | twitch.tv/wolfspud | MM4Wildcard•

At the most they'll have 7. Sure,a lot of waiting, but if you seriously can't counter a caster yet it's better than losing.

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CaptainKetsu•

Literally just run sideways

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

Have you never dueled a sorcerer before? Soulmass is too fast for that unless you're really far away. In which case the sorcerer only has to not fire it off. And you're playing badly if you stay away from the sorcerer. They shoot things, you hit things. If you're far away, they're in control.

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CaptainKetsu•

I've played sorcerer and against them with melee characters, I've seen people run sideways to avoid soul mass up close and I did it myself just yesterday.

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DeimosDs3Blade of Chaos•

B

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BloodBrandyTravelling Blue Mage From Drangleic•

Golden Wing Shield or the Carthus Bloodring will help you a bit

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iDisharmony•

Get a magic parry shield out there godly and you can almost see the wtf on mages faces when you deflect everything.

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

Doesn't help... If I have the time to throw out the super slow spell parry then I would have time to roll.

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crimpysuasagesTop tier (no really) PvP | twitch.tv/wolfspud | MM4Wildcard•

Get Sacred Bloom shield. Same parry frames as a Caestus.

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

Uuh.. Still slower than rolling. By a considerable amount.

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crimpysuasagesTop tier (no really) PvP | twitch.tv/wolfspud | MM4Wildcard•

Yeah, but way funner when they stand there and collapse lol

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mcmuffin927•

No worse than getting locked into a two hit kill by any gigantic weapons

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

Much worse because ultra weapons are extremely slow and predictable. Soulmass is incredibly fast.

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mcmuffin927•

Depends on how you look at it. In my view with cast time included it seems slow, I'm much better at dodging any spells than I am big weapons. Or maybe it just seems like that because when I do get hit by a big weapon, I die.

I really wish we could either have a bigger health pool or a damage decrease across the board or just something. Dying in two/three/four hits sucks no matter the form of damage. Not a huge deal though honestly just would make fights more interesting and less rage inducing to me

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

I'm not talking about how long it takes to cast Soulmass. I'm talking about after that. The sorcerer can fire them off anytime they want and it's far too fast to react to.

Your only hope is baiting it and dodging it, but besides the fact that that is very hard to do, they can just cast it again. And if you're too close to them, you take damage from the orbs but they dont break.

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mcmuffin927•

Yeah but they've gotta have something going for them. That's really their only defensive "stay back fool" tool. You can still dodge it up close too though if you roll into it as much as possible. The ones doing serious damage with it are probably full int and they definitely need to be played cautiously or they'll fuck up your day hard

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Mad_Maken•

First of all give us some context what kind of weapons/build are you using?

Either way the easiest way to learn is to play a couple of rounds not to win but only to learn. Try dodging spells by just walking sideways or sprinting sideways and see which spells you can dodge that way.

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HadodanOPAldrich Faithful Slayer•

Standard 40/40 quality build. 34 vigor, 40 endurance. Heavy armor (not like it really matters).

Against sorcerers, I expect to have to chase them through the arena throughout the whole duel, so I swap to a refined longsword +10 since it's probably the most reliable weapon for that besides a WP which I refuse to use. (Closest thing to a WP I have is the Dragonslayer Spear, did try that, didn't work)

A little problem is that I never use straight swords, so I'm kind of shitty with them. I'm mostly used to halberds and greatswords.

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