Is That Fireman Trained In Pain Compliance? Sellout firefighter helping the pigs.

So I am a former firefighter, and before any liberals/apologists come in saying that he "was just doing his job", we're actually not supposed to hurt people, and we are required to disobey orders that needlessly endanger or potential harm/injury/death on civilians. Sometimes what we do may cause pain to civilians, but this is in accordance with our training and operating within "Good Samaritan" laws. Our number one priority is to save lives, that may end up causing a person with broken bones (for example, CPR), but unless they have a DNR (do not resuscitate) we're there to help them and not place harm onto them where there isn't any reason to.

It doesn't matter to us if the civilians are arsonists, old grandmas, babies, or a person peacefully protesting, almost all (if not all) departments accross the nation have this rule as their SOG (standard operating guidelines).

I can't speak for this department, but I have never heard of a department being trained in pain compliance. We don't do that. Our job is to rescue people, save lives, situation control, and lastly saving property.

Assuming I am understanding the situation correctly, I would say what he did was out of line. It's not our job to assist in legal matters like this. We may treat the victim for any medical issues the police inflicted on him when removing him, but we wouldn't intentionally inflict needless pain on a civilian while on duty.

There have been departments sued for less, such as fighting a patient who was fighting them (the department lost the case). This person wasn't even actively fighting anyone violently, this behavior in my opinion is not justifiable.

I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has, once again I can't speak for this department, perhaps their SOGs are different, but I sincerely doubt it given that rule is pretty much universal in all departments. I don't know what level of training they recieved, but I would be very surprised if they recieved pain compliance training, as we're not supposed to do stuff like that.

I understand that it may be difficult for some to criticize firefighters, but we're people too and we're capable of doing good and evil. Writing us off as "heroes" or implying we can't do any wrong is not good and ignores issues of clear violations of protocol and moral wrongdoing.

Once again I am not speaking on behalf of all firefighters, this is just my personal opinion from what I know and my experiences working in this field.

!?! In the UK firefighters have almost always been solid (probably because they're on strike all the time). I did see some moving a hose on a burning barricade once, but fair play to them they actually walked out when they were told that counts as scabbing, and left it to burn :)