C.J. Spiller released by Saints, thoughts?

Posted Sep 13, 2016, 9:39 PM UTC

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jonny_lube•

Redundancy aside, I have some general questions about a guy that the Saints ate big money to let go after Week 1, and a guy who failed to make any impact whatsoever in a system seemingly perfect for him.

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Mooninites_Unite•

We had Cadet on our roster last year, and Saints like Cadet better than Spiller this year for receiving back. Spiller had a few great seasons in Buffalo, but he got injured his last year there and then again with the Saints.

Saints fans are saying he had a great preseason, but really we'd need to waive DJ Foster to make room for Spiller, and then we'd waive Spiller when Lewis is healthy. I'd rather stick with White and Foster until Lewis comes back.

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pulsepulsebeep•

The Saints are paying 40 million dollars in dead money to players that aren't on their team. I don't consider them experts in talent evaluation, or assessing how much money said talent is worth. Look at how the Saints fans are reacting on their subreddit. They are confused why they released him at all, and it seems like there was quite a bit of hype for Spiller to have a good season. In retrospect, the Saints were probably showing him off and looking for a trade- but if he passed the eyetest he can't be a complete bust. We have all seen up close what CJ Spiller can do under the right conditions (like, for instance, playing in a game).

I posted this as a response to some pessimism on r/fantasyfootball and I'm quoting it here because I really think he could add value to our redzone 2TE look.

Except the Patriots one weakness on offense this year is probably their backfield. Their 2TE sets are based on deceiving the defense on the intention of the play; pass or throw. Basically if the defense brings out the jumbo set to stop the rush, they spread out and let the TEs wreak havoc- and if they bring out a nickel or dime package full of DBs, the TEs both excel at blocking and a run play becomes easier. However, they don't have a runningback who doesn't potentially give it away. Blount isn't a sure-thing receiver, and while James White will scamper for an impressive run here and there, he isn't the best runner. Spiller could give them all the versatility they need to make their 2TE set completely and absurdly lethal.

Someone like CJ Spiller opens that 2TE set up into something disgusting, where it doesn't matter what the defense bites on- they are still going to get fucked hard. Spread your defense out to cover the TEs and Spiller will run it up the gut. Keep the defense pinned down to absorb the run- Spiller splits out underneath and catches a touchdown. That's assuming they don't decide to chuck an easy toss to their world-beating HOF tight end, or his Top 10 understudy.

CJ Spiller would do a world of good in their redzone formations, assuming the guy can ball out when he actually gets snaps. If they don't kick the tires I'll be disappointed. Just to bring the point home though, while it's silly to assume that Bill Belichick is going to sign every Free Agent with a pulse- this one actually makes a world of sense and could be very fantasy-lucrative if the pieces fit together. Big if, but big if true.

In retrospect, our tackle-depth might be our ACTUAL biggest weakness- and to be absolutely fair, we don't NEED Spiller. That doesn't mean that adding Spiller couldn't help, and he's in a prime position to get the old New England career-facelift. If nobody bites on him, it may not even take much money to bring him on.

Everyone is saying our running situation is shored up, but we still don't have a runningback who excels at both running AND receiving. Dion Lewis is the closest thing and he's not on the field. All Spiller will ultimately cost is a roster spot, which will admittedly be much more expensive than whatever contract he asks for. We don't have a lot of fat to trim this year, but if they make a move I think he contributes in a significant way.

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fresh2deafbill•

ITT: People far too confident with the running game as is.

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CC333•

Spiller is a receiving back. White is great for that role.

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GobRronkowski•

So is Foster, Bolden is decent, and we get D-Lew back midseason. I'm far more interested in promoting Sanky to the roster to see how he can run than adding a guy with like 1.5 good seasons and 3.5 bad ones.

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Bothan-Spy•

we get D-Lew back midseason

I don't get why so many people are so confident that Dion is going to be breaking ankles from Week 8 out automatically. The guy is almost a year removed from playing only half a season for the Pats, then missed all of OTAs, training camp and the first half of this season. He's going to have to get back into football shape, shake the rust off plus get back in sync with the offense, and even then he may never return to previous form (at least this year).

Look, I love Lil Dirty and I am rooting from him but people are WAAAAY too comfortable claiming all our run game concerns will be magically solved come Week 8.

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GobRronkowski•

That's not what I said really. We have a good white, decent Bolden, and promising Foster right now and DLew later. Those 4 with their varying abilities and health is more than enough for me to ignore Spiller.

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Mooninites_Unite•

Why now? Until Blount starts struggling, we don't need two big body guys on the 46-man roster. I think Foster was inactive last game, so it was just Blount, White, Bolden and Develin active. I honestly am not concerned until Blount becomes banged up around week 10, then Sankey can take over.

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GobRronkowski•

Because Blount could get hurt mid game. It's just a depth thing for me really.

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pulsepulsebeep•

Spiller, at his best, is a dual-threat. Between injuries and Fred Jackson he never really got a chance to display that- but I wouldn't pencil him in as just a receiver. In 2012 he turned 200 attempts into 1200 yards, and followed it up the next year with 200 attempts for 930 yards in one less game. Not too shabby when you add those to his receiving stats.

To me, Spiller is a classic Patriots reclamation project.

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CC333•

He's been constantly hurt and that running production is far in the past. If he could provide that the Saints wouldn't have cut him.

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thick_bison•

No need with White, and Lewis coming back

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MasterofMarionettes•

Spiller is cooked. Looked bad to end last year and awfulness carried over into camp.

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Mooninites_Unite•

Everyone is saying he had a great preseason, but he's got an injury history and the salary was bigger than his talent.

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MasterofMarionettes•

I just remember all training camp the reports saying he looked bad and how as runner he fell behind and Cadet looked to take strides to jumping him(which he obviously did).

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Mooninites_Unite•

His stats weren't great, but I've seen NO fans saying he was looking like he'd come back after injuries the last 2 seasons.

Pats actually had Cadet last year, and it looks like Cadet took Spiller's spot as the receiving back.

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bjb406•

I think Payton was talking him up in hopes of being able to trade him, or just get someone to take the dead money off his hands. Or at least that is the narrative that has been going around since he was a healthy inactive week 1.

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KillerBeesRedux•

Don't see the point in pursuing him. The roster is fine with White and Foster as pass-catching backs until Lewis is back.

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Cambin•

No point the backfield is filled.

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ImReallyWhiteYoo•

Our RB played really well. I can't wait to see what dion lewis brings to the table.

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Deadnred•

No

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fullbacktomOP•

The only thing I could see them doing is working him out in case of injury to White or foster while Lewis is still out. I don't see them signing him otherwise.

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munnymyke•

No. delete this thread

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pulsepulsebeep•

If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion then don't contribute. I usually hate these threads after any good player gets cut, but this one I actually think is worth a discussion. If you don't think so, then don't be a part of it. There's no reason to act like a classless piece of trash because your opinion doesn't match someone else's.

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munnymyke•

no, delete this thread

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[deleted]•

Oh god yes. We would murder teams giving him dumpoffs.

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