Chambers on the bench at Middlesborough AGAIN.

  • Boro 1-2 Palace
  • Everton 3-1 Boro

Since he joined, the Boro has played 2 matches and Chambers has been on the bench for the entire games.

The starting CB pairing is the same as that in their championship campaign: Daniel Ayala + Ben Gibson. The former is the cornerstone of the defence. He is also Spanish, the same as manager Karanka. The latter is the nephew of Boro's owner.

RB, another position Chambers might play, is occupied by A.Barragan, a compatriot of the manager. He just joined from Valencia this summer and currently has the most minutes in this Boro team.

Also note that before Chambers' arrival, Boro had already been kicked out of the League Cup.

It doesn't look like a wise choice to loan him there since the likelihood of getting consistent game times is slim.

Posted Sep 18, 2016, 5:21 AM UTC

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Wheat-Thins•

He's not Wilshere, no premier league team will immediately make him an every week starter. If he's the first option off the bench there, that's good enough.

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arsenallingOP•

He started at Southampton, a top 7 team.

As much as I have doubts in Wenger's scouting ability in defenders, I don't think he is retarded enough to buy a player at 16M who cannot start at a relegation team in the league. Note that this guy was formerly on our bench and started for a long period.

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Wheat-Thins•

Wasn't he behind Nathaniel Clyne at Southampton?

I'm not even saying Chambers isn't as good as Boros other defenders, just that if he's not significantly better than them, Boro has no incentive to make a loan player a consistent starter when everyone is healthy. They can't build around Chambers cause he'll be gone by the end of the season, and it risks creating bad relations with players that actually are there for the long term.

Also remember that hasn't gotten consistent game time since like fall of 2014, so he is likely a bit rusty.

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arsenallingOP•

Clyne was injured and Chambers played half a season at RB with decent performances, and thus the transfer to Arsenal. With his track record he should be good enough for a weak side at the PL.

I dont find the lack of game time justifiable. We shouldn't have loaned Chambers to Boro in the first place if he isn't guaranteed consistent game time.

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Mein_BergkampI didn't see it•

He started at Southampton because of injuries. When Debuchy is fit he's third choice right back, probably fourth choice when Jenko is fit and he's obviously fifth choice Centre back. At Boro he's second choice right back and possibly third/fourth choice centre back, a definite improvement.

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arsenallingOP•

He started at Southampton due to Clyne's injury, not INJURIES. He was also 2nd choice, not 3rd choice of RB, not behind Jenkinson by any standard. He was also not 5th choice CB, and was actually starting for us at CB.

We could have loaned him to a club where he could start, thats the point of a loan, not sending him to a team where his is a higher order sub.

All of a sudden he falls out of AKB's favour because he is dumped by Wenger to another team. Poor lad.

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Mein_BergkampI didn't see it•

Jesus you drank the Kool Aid didn't you. He's not a RB, we all kknow that, he's behind Debuchy and Almost certainly behind Jenks. He'd already lost his fourth place CB to Holding and no one batted an eye.

Not sure what your deal is with Chambers but he's nowhere near our first team.

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Batmanisapoof•

Maybe just maybe it's a wise decision to let him train with his new team mates for a bit instead of chucking him in the deep end against a bloodthirsty City ^Everton side.

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arsenallingOP•

Boro won't meet City until November.

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Batmanisapoof•

Oh right I mistook them for Middlesbrough, my bad! But my point still stands.

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BorisSomethingMagician!•

I hate logic. This is too logical.

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mr_creosote_•

He's also much, much closer to the first team than he is at Arsenal, and will get a run of games as soon as there's an injury or something. It's early days yet, and I think he'll get a fair few games.

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arsenallingOP•

closer means nothing when there is no consistent game time.

he can play cup games at arsenal as well if scattered appearances are the goal.

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mr_creosote_•

He's not going to walk into another prem team, he's going to have to work his way in. Boro especially as they've got a reputation for defensive solidity. But at Boro he's an injury or suspension away from a run in the team, at Arsenal he's not. To get a whole season in the first team I think he'd have to drop down a division or go overseas.

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arsenallingOP•

Then it is wrong to loan him there in the first place.

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mr_creosote_•

He needs to earn his place. Too many players don't face adversity and have it all handed to them. A bit of competition is good, and if he can't get in the Boro team then he's not good enough for us anyway.

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Xin128•

Boro are doing the right thing. They have 2 players at a good age who have proved to be a good partnership for them. Its logical to go with them. They're not there to do Arsenal any favours. Its down to Chambers to prove he's good enough

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GrugzagWatch Him Whip, Watch Elneny•

Precisely, I don't get the rage. If Chambers makes himself into a better choice in Middlesborough's defence in training then he'll be showing his commitment to self improvement, which is what Arsenal wants to see from him.

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arsenallingOP•

The rage is not about Boro being an asshole and not starting Chambers.

It is

1)we shouldn't have loaned Chambers to a place where he cannot get consistent playing time.

  1. A 16M player who started for us for a prolong period couldn't even walk into a relegation team's lineup. Don't you feel bad about our squad previously? Don't you feel concerned about Wenger's ability to choose defenders? Don't you feel sorry for those star players who had to carry the team with shit players and wasted their career without proper title rewards because of Wenger's decisions?

I feel awful.

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SacrificialPizza•

You seem pretty weird. It's 2 games

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GrugzagWatch Him Whip, Watch Elneny•

I'd go with 'melodramatic' rather than 'weird'

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arsenallingOP•

and you have any supportive evidence that Chambers will get consistent minutes soon? any good sign for me to feel a bit optimistic as well?

I said almost the same thing when it was 0 game, not 2 games, by purely analysing Boro's squad. Now it just confirms my speculation.

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Arsecarn•

It's been two fucking games for Christ sake. Give the kid some time to settle in and stake a claim to start. It's a long season.

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arsenallingOP•

For Christ sake do you have any evidence that there will be a change in the near future before spouting this shit out?

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Superwenger"It was in from the moment he hit it!"•

Maybe he will realise now that instagram obsession and justin bieber is no good for his career. He will need to toughen up, the soft boy he is, and wait for his chance.

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CedosgPoints lost from winning positions: 3•

Here's hoping.

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