Non-supporters, it's time to RAISE THE BAR! Non-supporters submission rules are LIVE!

UPDATED 9/24

#UPDATED 9/24/16#

Even before this update, Trump supporters were required to post a title in the question; that question wasn't allowed to be loaded due to the posting in good faith rule and we removed these posts appropriately. Title-only posts are low effort and have been discouraged for all posters; mods removed these posts from supporters and non-supporters at their discretion.

The first three submission rules for non-supporters (question in title, post a non-loaded question, and no 'title-only' posts) had always and will always purtain to all posters. By putting these on the non-supporter submission requirements, the new rules made it seem like we had no requirements at all for posts from supporters. This was never the case, and the new version of the submission rules officially distinguishes all posters' rules vs non-supporters' rules for clarity.

I have put these rules (all posters and non-supporters) on the submit page and separated out the rules we want to see in non-supporters' posts specifically. I have also setup AutoMod to automatically remove title-only posts.

##The goal of this update is to make it clear to all posters, especially those that don't regularly post on this subreddit but who are coming here in good faith, what they need to do to make a top-quality post:

#Submission Rules for All Posters

1. All posts must include a question in the title

| * This is clear from our subreddit name

2. No loaded questions in the title

| * The question in the title is meant to frame the post, not throw around baseless accusations

| * Please see our "posting in good faith" wiki article, if you need more explanation on this rule

3. No 'title-only' posts

| * Posts with zero context or substance aren't going to generate good dialogue or discussion; by giving more depth to your initial question, everyone has a better experience on this subreddit

#Submission Rules for Non-supporters, specifically

1. Full Trump quote, if applicable

| * Full quote in video form is preferred, but a link to the transcript is okay

2. Two sources

| * For news events and general questions: two objective (you can decide this criteria) sources

| * For policy-specific questions: link to the Trump website of the appropriate policy PLUS two analyses on the policy from two separate organizations (special bonus kudos if you link to the research data)

3. Two questions

| * End your post with two good questions to spark dialogue; these are different questions than the title

| * If you can't think of three good, non-loaded questions about a subject, it probably isn't worth posting

#Non-supporter Example Post#

TITLE:

How will Trump's new child tax credit impact poor families?

POST:

Trump's website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/fact-sheet-donald-j.-trumps-new-child-care-plan

The deduction is available for taxpayers who take the standard deduction as well as itemize deductions, and will be capped at the average cost of care for the state of residence. Individuals earning more than $250,000 (or $500,000 if filing jointly) will not be eligible for the deduction. For a family earning $70,000 per year in the 12 percent tax bracket with $7,000 in child care expenses, the deduction would reduce taxes by $840 per year.

Ivanka on Cosmo: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a3356886/ivanka-trump-child-care-maternity-leave-policy/

Analysis about Child care leave from American Action: https://www.americanactionforum.org/insight/policy-child-care-paid-family-leave-proposals/

the candidate proposes to use the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) as a vehicle to provide child care tax rebates to low-income households (the rebates would be as large as $1,200 per year for a family). Finally, a Trump Administration would encourage workers to set aside their own money for child care by creating a new Dependent Care Savings Account, contributions to which would be tax deductible. The government would match half of a low-income family’s first $1,000 deposited to the account each year.

Analysis by the Education week: http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2016/08/clinton_trump_put_focus_on_chi.html

Katharine Stevens, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank, said Trump's child-care deduction proposal wouldn't offer relief to the families who need it most.

"About 40 percent of taxpayers had zero or negative income tax, so what that means is that a tax credit doesn't help the neediest children," Stevens said.

QUESTIONS:

Should the child tax credit be EITC based? Parents - how much do you spend each year on child care? Does the $2200 last throughout the year? What other benefits could we give poor families other than a tax deduction?

(the above sample post took me 12 minutes to write and research)

(The rules have been updated as of 9/24/16 based on community feedback, but the original are being left up for transparency. The original announcement post is found below)

#We are implementing new-thread submission rules for non-supporters only, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY#

Note: this is not for comments; this is for new thread posts only

Why non-supporters only?

We want to raise the bar on non-supporter OPs in this sub. No longer can you "first" a news story in the media with a no context, no sources, low effort post. We are doing this for non-supporters only because we want non-supporters to show the same type of effort that supporters show when they give well thought out answers to questions.

Honestly just think, why you would post a thread about something specific and then not even post a source to that? It's rude. We want non-supporters to post with effort, with sources, and to actually spend some time on their submission.

Does this means there are no submission rules for Trump supporters?

Trump supporters are still bound by our general subreddit rules posted on the side bar.

What if I break the submission rules?

Thread gets removed. If you keep doing it then we will give you a warning for spam. If you keep doing it then, you'll get temp banned. If you keep doing it after that then you should probably re-evaluate how you spend your free time.

###Let's look at the new rules!###

NON-SUPPORTER SUBMISSION RULES:

~~1. No loaded questions~~

~~| Don't post unjustified assumptions~~

~~2. No "title only" submissions~~

~~| No content = no good discussions~~

~~3. Title must be a question~~

~~| See submission rule #1~~

~~4. Direct Trump quote PLUS two sources required~~

~~| * For general news events: video of Trump saying full quote (if applicable) PLUS two objective (you can decide this criteria) news outlets~~

~~5. Two questions required at end of post~~

~~| * End your post with two good questions to spark dialogue; these are different questions than the title~~

~~| * If you can't think of three good, non-loaded questions about a subject, it probably isn't worth posting~~

(The rules have been updated as of 9/24/16 based on community feedback, but the original are being left up for transparency. The updated rules can be found at the top of this post)

(#1) No loaded questions in the title is obvious; we have previously dinged it for 'not posting in good faith', but hopefully this is more clear.
(#2) We don't want you to spend 5 seconds and just hammer away at a title-only submission. It sucks for discussion. Don't bring that type of low effort posting in here.
(#3) Title must be a question is another obvious one and people already do it pretty much, but now it's official
(#4) "Direct Trump quote PLUS two sources required". Yup. We want you to include a direct source plus two supplement sources. The submission guideline is different for the different types of submissions:

- (#4a) If we are talking about a particular Trump quote, we want a link to a video (if applicable) of the full quote AND two news sources covering it. This is so people can see the quote, easily browse to the video, and then look at a couple of news articles surrounding that quote. The full quote allows people to know that you didn't just cut 3 seconds of it, and the news sources allows people to see when and where this happened.
- (#4b) If we are talking about policy-specific questions: we want you to link to the official Trump website with the policy details. ALSO, we want TWO analyses of that particular policy from two separate sources.

(#5) Two questions is NOT a lot to ask; and yes this is separate than the question in the title. If you can't articulate three non-loaded questions, then you probably haven't thought about the issue long or hard enough and it's going to be a shitty post.

#FAQ#

What the fuck man I am never going to post another thread here again. How do you expect people to meet those guidelines?

By posting your low content post, you are disrespecting the people who spend 100x more time on their response. And guess what? A lot of that time is going to be people looking up a source or policy or quote that you didn't have the courtesy to include

You say 'objective news outlet' in the submission guidelines, but 'objective' is kind of a subjective word now-a-days. What news outlets are okay?

This is up to you, but we require two so that hopefully people can read both news articles and get a full spectrum of the issue at hand. Also, if someone doesn't think one of the news sources is credible, there is a second one to read if they choose. I am not going to give a 'list of acceptable news outlets' because news is about their sources and primary data. When in doubt, post the original source or research data or the actual poll

What if I REALLY want to post a question but I seriously can't find any of this stuff guys, please can I just post it, cmon

No. You obviously haven't done the research on the topic and you don't care to. Again, this is about respecting Trump supporters that are going to spend time on their reply; show them respect by taking some time to craft this submission.

Signed,

material_methods

Your friendly (and only) non-supporter mod

PS - time to step up boys, make me proud

#UPDATED 9/22/16#

After much consideration and discussion with some of our best contributors to this subreddit, I have decided to reword #4 to the following:

~~4. Direct Trump quote (if applicable) PLUS two sources required~~

| * For news events and general questions: video of Trump saying full quote (if applicable) PLUS two objective (you can decide this criteria) sources

| * For policy-specific questions: link to the Trump website of the appropriate policy PLUS two analyses on the policy from two separate organizations (special bonus kudos if you link to the research data)

EXPLANATION: Some saw the original wording to be too restrictive to only allow new posts about specific things Trump has said specifically, and that was not the original intent of the rule; we want new posts to be given context with sources for more in-depth conversation, no matter the topic. New posts about policy or specific Trump quotes will be held to a higher standard than regular news events or questions, and a video link to the quote or a link to his website about the policy will still be required.

(The rules have been updated as of 9/24/16 based on community feedback, but the original are being left up for transparency. The updated rules can be found at the top of this post)

The wiki article covering the submission rules for all posters is up to date and available here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters/wiki/submissionrules

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