Empire State Marathon - run till you're sick

Race Report

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Race information

  • What? Empire State Marathon
  • When? October 9, 2016
  • Website? empirestatemarathon.com

Goals

GoalDescriptionCompleted?
A<3:10No
B<3:15Yes

Training

My training was all over the place this year. I kept a good base throughout the year after running the Austin Marathon in Feb, but definitely didn't follow anything specific or anything religiously.

Longest run was 22 miles in the bad humidity and heat of Boston. Peak mileage only hit 55 miles. No speedwork, a little bit of tempo, but really just an unstructured training schedule leading in.

Race strategy

The Empire State Marathon is a small town race in Syracuse, NY; only 250-some runners ran the full marathon. I knew the course was flat and consisted of two major out-and-backs, so the strategy was to run slow - maybe 7:20s or so - in the beginning and keep increasing the pace every few miles.

I didn't really follow this plan.

Pre-race

Woke up around 5AM to get ready for the 8AM gun. Coffee, bagel, bathroom. Uneventful for the most part. Scoped out the scene, moved close to the front of the corral, listened to the anthem, got the Garmin ready.

Miles [1] to [6]

6:58, 6:58, 7:02, 7:05, 6:54, 6:48

The race begins with both marathoners and half marathoners running the first 6 miles or so together. The first mile and a half go along a pretty desolate strip of road before getting to a very pretty lakeside path. I got on the shoulder of a guy gunning for a 1:30 marathon and chatted with him for the duration of this segment (big mistake).

At mile 6, the two races split and I said goodbye to my new bud, who unwittingly paced me into some real trouble. I could guess what was to come down the stretch, but I arrogantly rolled the dice.

New plan: Slow down at some point over the next six miles.

Miles [7] to [13]

6:56, 7:03, 6:58, 6:53, 6:54, 6:59, 7:19 Through half marathon at 1:31:36

Whoops.

Still chowing down the miles faster than planned. The race began to get very lonely, with five or six marathon runners ahead of me and the rest of them somewhere behind. I look around, saw a Drumpf sign on a lawn, thought about politics awhile, considered the beautiful foliage of upstate New York, and contemplated kicking that damn Drumpf sign over on my way back through this leg of the course. Passed two marathoners, and finally began to apply the brakes at mile 13. Too little, too late. The gods of the long run had by this point noticed my petulant attitude, and were triangulating upon my position to exact payment. That time I banked came as always with a steep interest rate.

Miles [14] to [20]

7:13, 7:18, 7:24, 7:17, 7:22, 7:37, 7:51

Finally dropping down a gear to something resembling my planned MP, I began the next segment of the course, which wound back through the middle-back parade of half marathoners towards another foliage-lined trail. Contrary to what was advertised, the course is not pancake-flat. The course went up a couple of bridges through mile 15 and 16, which weren't bad, but definitely noticed.

I had been noticing that getting Gu and Gatorade/water down was harder than usual. I kept having these weird hacking coughs, and could feel something like mucus in my chest when I would try to breathe after getting nutrition down. This would remain an issue all through the race. This segment was even more lonely than the last, with very few spectators and fellow runners nearby.

I had been slowing down to save something for the final 10K, but my body was sending me distress signals. I was slowing down more than I wanted to, and I couldn't seem to pick up my stride and pace.

As I passed a runner suffering through a case of the bonks, I tried to give him a thumbs up. But by then, I could feel the payment being extracted from my legs. By mile 20, the gods had found me and they would make clear their unhappiness with me.

Miles [21] to [26.2]

7:51, 7:41, 8:08, 9:00, 8:16, 8:45, 8:47, 7:28 (for .2)

Welcome to hell. http://imgur.com/NZyuguI (Me trudging through mile 26)

I took another Gu, nearly coughing up my lungs, around mile 20. Though it wasn't a particularly cold day, the wind took a toll on my body, and I felt cold and out of sorts for most of the race. I thought about taking another Gu near mile 24, but then realized I was out of aid stations.

I could feel the wall coming fast at me. Doing some foggy math, I figured that sub-3:10 was pretty much out of the question. I couldn't quite calculate whether sub-3:15 was still in play, so I made up a new goal: don't walk.

Made an excuse to stop at a porta at mile 23, and kept churning the legs through the last 5K. I never did walk, but by mile 26, I was in a rough way.

The last stretch is a mile long return to the start over that same desolate stretch of road. Nothing to distract myself with. I was bonking out hard and seeing stars.

Coughing and hacking but trying to keep my stride clean, I turned the corner to look for the finishing chute. For a brief second, I couldn't find it and felt a truly dark sort of despair grip my heart. As soon as my fizzling sight found it, I found whatever drop of gas I had left to burn and tried to kick through the finish.

Post-race

3:14:49. Good for about an 8 minute PR, though that's not saying much.

I got through the finish, sat down, and promptly fell on my back. I whipped off my singlet and tried not to pass out.

http://imgur.com/EkZUDBy

Though I knew I was okay, hunger and exhaustion confused my senses. I could hardly move. I staggered over to the bagel and bananas and tried to eat something. I housed the free beer that I was entitled to and began to feel better.

During the car ride back, I began to shiver uncontrollably and couldn't keep warm. My girlfriend turned up the heat, the seat warmer, made me put on a couple of sweaters, but for two hours, the fever wouldn't break.

On Monday, I could hardly stand, and had to sleep all day and shiver off the bad stretches of chills and fever. I'm feeling much better today, but certainly not 100%. As someone who tends to recover quickly from a hard effort, this was surprising and demoralizing.

But, hey, I nabbed a PR. And I know I ran to my limit.

What's next?

I'd like to try for a BQ next year. I think if I follow a decent plan, get my mileage up, and actually do some hard workouts, I can cut down to that 3:05 range. I have a 50 miler that I'm planning to walk/jog in November. After that, I plan to do a bit of core work in the gym, hit up a good plan that ups my mileage, and train through what I presume will be another miserable Boston winter.

On another note, I've been enjoying so much reading about everyone's exploits here throughout the year. Y'all are fast and good company even to us lurkers. Thanks for everything!

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Posted Oct 12, 2016, 12:00 PM UTC · edited

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callthebluff36M; sub245 full•

I didn't really follow this plan.

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

It sounds like you are well on you way to BQ/sub3 land. Just keep the training consistent over the winter and pick a race with good weather.

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runjunrunOP•

Thanks! One day I'll be a real runner and go sub-3...

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ForwardBoundpresident of SOTTC•

Dang, you went right up to your limit. I do think you can get down to a BQ next year. Has that sort of sickness ever happened to you before?

Hope you continue to post!

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runjunrunOP•

Never happened before. I'm usually up and running about within a couple of days, not bedridden and high on meds.

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bigdutch10Boston 2017 Goal 2:50•

Congrats on the pr. Do u think if u would gone out a little slower at the beginning it would have helped in the end or would have not mattered with u getting sick?

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runjunrunOP•

Thanks! No idea about the sickness thing. Looking back, the weirdness in my breathing seemed to be early signals that something was off. If I started at my planned 7:20 pacing, I still probably would have sped up towards the end to spend every last bit of energy I had. Maybe getting sick was always in the cards? Hard to know. Hope it never happens again, though!

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Rennur-aknehZmarathons are hard•

Nice PR, seems like you'll get to that BQ soon enough. Isn't it crazy how well you can feel, passing by runners that have bonked, trying to encourage them and then boom it all goes to hell.

Can I ask what your Half PR was going in?

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runjunrunOP•

Thanks! And yeah, so crazy and humbling to feel the wheels pop right off the wagon in the wink of an eye.

My HM PR...oh boy. I'm so bad at keeping tabs on these.

Oh wow! I just looked it up. 1:31:30 almost exactly a year ago! That's some weird, crazy symmetry.

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runwichi•

Great job on the PR! The cough thing would bother me the entire race.

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SuperSonic315•

I ran the Empire Half Marathon and remember seeing you finishing while drinking my free beer, you definitely looked like you were hurting a bit at the end. This is definitely a fast course, so if you are thinking about attempting a BQ, consider trying this one again. I know you didn't quite hit your A goal, but an 8 minute PR is still pretty damn impressive.

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runjunrunOP•

Oh man! How'd you do? I was in a rough way and deep deep deep in the hurt box, obviously. It's definitely the fastest marathon course I've run, so I just may wanna come by and try to knock it out on my own terms again.

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SuperSonic315•

I grabbed 6th place in the Half with a time of 1:20:40, which is okay for me, but not great. There were some pretty speedy guys there in front with the top 5 getting between 1:10-1:14, so I was a whole 6 minutes behind them. Trust me, I've been pretty far in the hurt box to the point where I was hallucinating colors and people so I feel your pain. :)

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facehead123•

I couldn't quite calculate whether sub-3:15 was still in play

I've done three degrees in math, and holy shit it never ceases to amaze me how it all goes out the window as soon as I break MP.

Tough finish this time, but it looks like a BQ is a real possibility next year!

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blood_benderNYC•

Congrats on the PR.

Man, your sickness/fever/whatever you want to call it sounds very similar to dehydration induced hypothermia that I've gotten before. But it's never lasted more than a day. Definitely if you were coming down with something, that would've killed your race.

Also, a GU at mile 24 might also be too little too late - they take 15 minutes to be usable in the bloodstream, you'd have a nice sugar rush crossing the finish line though!

Good luck next year, this reads almost identically to the anatomy of my previous training cycle and 3:09. Following a real plan with slightly better mileage and workouts dropped that to a 3:02. Sounds like you got a BQ in the bag next time.

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runjunrunOP•

Good point about the Gu @ 24. I never thought about dehydration-induced hypothermia, but it does make sense.

Thanks for the note regarding your own experience. Might I ask which plan you chose to chop down to 3:02?

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blood_benderNYC•

Pfitz 18/55 (but more like 18/62, I sort of mixed and matched some workouts and long runs from the 18/70 at first, but then in the latter half of the training followed 18/55 pretty close to exact).

The difference for me was the workouts -- I ran a 3:09 with a peak of 55, but no workouts, and adding them in / following a real plan caused the drop in time. In fact, it would've been a bigger gap had it not been 72 and 100% humidity on race day, because I ran a half 3 weeks later and ran a 1:22, which is a 2:51 equivalent. I don't think I could've run a 2:51 off of my training, but it goes to show you what the workouts and consistently following a plan do.

I don't know if dehydration-induced hypothermia is a thing lol, but it's happened to me several times where I get so dehydrated and I can't stay warm, even on a 70 degree day sitting in front of a heater in a car bundled up. Usually accompanied by far too frequent bathroom trips. I've since figured out my nutrition and hydration, but it was a rough couple of years.

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runjunrunOP•

Awesome. Good to know!

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kkruns•

I had a bad feeling when I saw those early splits! Congrats on making it through without walking and nabbing that B goal nonetheless!

As for the hacking, maybe you were already coming down with something, or maybe it was the Gatorade? Gatorade always makes me all phlegmy if I drink it while running. Now I stick to salt tablets.

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runjunrunOP•

Never had trouble with the Gatorade before, but now that I think about it, I've never had so many Gatorades in one race as I did in this one. Maybe that was the reason, or maybe it was just me sleeping in the basement on the pullout couch that did me in :)

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allxxe•

Congrats on nabbing a PR and getting your B goal. Getting sick after a race really stinks, it's the worst feeling lying in bed just getting stiffer and stiffer after a really hard effort. I feel for ya. I hope you've kicked what ever bug you had and are up and back to feeling better/running soon! Congrats again.

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runjunrunOP•

Cheers! I think I'll be back on my running feet next week. Legs feel fine, but I'm still a little hacky and sick.

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bourbonrunr•

Enjoyed your write up. You are a very good writer and better runner than you give yourself credit for. A consistent training plan will have you ready to BQ next year.

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runjunrunOP•

Thanks! Much appreciated.

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