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Posted Oct 18, 2016, 1:38 PM UTC · edited
brewmaster cant clear stagger until level 54, i really feel bad for my healers when doing dungeons... im takin damage as if im a rogue
I also find it funny that you get expel harm like 30 levels before you can create healing orbs
Seriously, I don't get what is up with this stuff. There's so many abilities and shit that are like "This benefits X move" which you don't get until a while later. I feel sorry for people trying to make sense of moves and whatnot while leveling a new class (or just leveling) for the first time.
Yeah I think the single biggest problem in the game right now is the super weird leveling structure. So many classes start with abilities that end up being completely irrelevant to their max level rotation. It doesn't make any sense. You get like 70 levels of practice with garbage, then 30 levels of actual practice.
I havent leveled in a while, do you have an example? I thought they fixed that with the Cata system
Wow, that makes me glad I used my free boost to 100 on my Monk.
Level ~35 disc priest here, it's not that bad. Even the BM monk I had in whites with an int staff didn't die, and wasn't that difficult to keep up anyway.
I leveled a full loom monk and a full loom warrior one after the other, the monk was so squishy and would commonly die between pulls, as well as being unable to pull a lot, the warrior could pretend he was a steamroller and just give no fucks, ever.
the warrior could pretend he was a steamroller and just give no fucks, ever.
Yeah. Leveling a prot warrior now after maining Prot pally for the expansion so far. Holy shit. Prot warrior is robust.
I'm going to level my warrior eventually, and looking forward to it - after levelling enh shaman first my prot paladin felt super tough, feeling stronger than that and with heroic leap should be fun!
Oh it's certainly much easier to heal a warrior or a bear, for example, but then I haven't hit BC dungeons yet so...
What M+ difficulty do Blood DK's become a liability at?
I'm 854 and every group tells me to pull 2 packs when on a timer, which leads to me dying (instantly) every single time. Or I have people that rush to pull and I die.
On HoV for example I've had really bad luck with the huge groups (the ones at top of stairs) with no cooldowns. Or on DHT, next to that tree with the cats and the patrol going by-usually always a wipe or I die.
Most of the times I have problems the healer is around 40% of healing done and I'm around 35-40% of healing done as well. Not sure if that's how it's supposed to look. Whenever I heal DK's on my druid I'm around 60-70% healing done at least.
Stagger CD's and work with your healer.
Really its just necrotic and 9+, but you can kite better than most tanks due to DnD being so big, and with one AOE stun or another aoe slow, you're all good.
Stagger cds as blood dk :D :D :D.
Blood dks dont really have a lot of those so while this may be good information for most it's not really that great for a blood dk.
wut?
I have DRW, VampBlood, DnD Kiting, Trinkets. Healer has 1-2 usually, and DPS have AOE stuns.
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Dnd kiting is not a cd, trinkets everyone has, healer always has dps always have stun.
That leaves DRW and vampblood (and AMS which you forgot about completely /facepalm) which are all subpar cooldowns compared to the counterparts.
I seem to nearly always to heal the same as healers(self heal that is) and sometimes even outheal them. I'm currently ilvl 853 so basically the same as yourself. I REALLY hate HoV, I don't even wanna attempt it again on M+, I still got nightmares from that. It feels way harder than it should be, and I don't know why.
I've tanked +7s and +8s fairly easily as a Blood DK. Haven't tried anything higher than that because my core group needs to improve it's DPS. I just use VB on cooldown (i've got the legendary belt which makes increases overall uptime of VB), interrupt and asphyxiate as required and DS when applicable.
Armory for reference: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Anteos/simple
Do you have the golden trait affecting vamp blood + increased blood plague damage? These increased survivability alot for me in big pulls+DRW, ilvl 860 myself. Rotate cds accordingly aswell ofcourse.
Blood DKs become a liability around m+8. After that, every tank except BM monk is a better choice for the group by a very large margin.
Before that level, you shouldn't have many problems. It comes down to your talent setup, your rotation, what elite traits you have, etc.
Use vampiric blood alot. Don't worry about saving it. You should be using death strike enough that it's cd lasts about 30 seconds.
Kite when you have to. Some classes have AoE slows, roots, stuns, etc. Make sure to abuse that for big packs, kite away while your healer catches up.
Frankly, as a h pally main, i would rather have a BrM than a DH or DK. Much less spiky, and my kit heals stagger really well.
I've done +9/+10 as BrM and it was quite fine. Still far from a warrior or a druid, of course, but still very viable.
I tanked mythic darkheart at 819 ilvl on a pally, left at 824 ilvl and went to maw of souls, came out of there at 827, overall pretty happy with the experience considering i didnt even think aboht mythics on my main (fmage) until ~835, it wasnt too bad if you and the healer know the fights
Cool, yea I was a fire mage (IL 853) and then switched over after the first week of of EN because I could no longer keep that time commitment. I know the fights, I just don't want to be a burden to the group.
I was with my gf (814 hunter at the time) and we pugged a full group, the description was "low ilvl tank and dps looking to be carried, we know the fights, 850+ preferred ilvl" and we had a full group in about 3 minutes. I guess its all about the rng of who you get in your group
Just hit 840 ilvl on my prot pally and haven't gotten around to raids or mythics, is there a huge difference in pulling for paladins or is it basically the same?
Ive never tanked before in my life but i can honestly say its slightly more difficult than ranged dps... if youve ever done a heroic dungeon than you should have no problems in mythics, you obviously wont be doing the best immediately but dont be scared to do a couple mythics, by the time youve done a few you should have the hang of it
It's more that prot pally has a lot of aoe damage, which breaks most cc, and generally I just end up tanking everything with my face and rotate my mitigation abilities. So wasn't sure if ccing was required in mythics and would have to switch up how I pull packs.
I cc some important mobs sometimes if i dont have any cds up, but as long as you dont pull more mobs than youre comfortable with you should be fine
7/7 H:EN (just downed cenarius and xavius last night!) | Mythic + 6 | Brewmaster
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Heya, I'm an 842 brewmaster just getting into Mythics. I've done 3 so far and had 2 of the healers be monks and the other was a resto shaman. Both instances with the monks it felt like pulling teeth keeping isb up and popping ox brew on cd to purify often enough to live (with the occasional expel even at 1-2 orbs), but the run with the shaman I don't think I casted purification brew more than a handful of times and was nearly always at fill.
Are some healers just far better schematically to heal us? I was using exploding brew and sweeping leg on cd and even occasionally kiting and it still just felt like a struggle fest, if not for the shaman not struggling at all I'd have thought it was just a gear or class based thing.
Since that's so few runs, don't worry about it! There's not necessarily an advantage to running with a certain healer. I've had awesome experiences with all specs of healers, and it largely depends on the instance itself, and if the mythic+ has any modifiers. Like you said, focus on your gameplay, having maximum uptime on Ironskin Brew and saving at least one charge for Purifying Brew.
When you say you only had to use it a handful of times with your good Shaman healer, I want to assume it did not get out of low/green Stagger. Still make sure to use Purifying when you can, even at low/green Stagger, since if we don't, we are still taking all of the damage, and not mitigating it by not Purifying.
Being topped off is something that won't happen with Brewmasters because of how Stagger works, we're going to be constantly taking damage because of it, so excessively healing Brewmasters to full may strain your healer and their mana, so just have them heal you as they would normally.
Yeah for the most part I would throw up ISB a few times but unless I hit 60%+ I wouldn't purify, the shaman never seemed to struggle with the constant damage. The monks though needed me to purify as often as possible, as even in yellow levels of stagger my health just plummeted with them. Sounds good though I will try to maximize uptime on Ironskin going forward haha
Although it could be a healer issue there, but we're focusing on our Brewmaster gameplay, if your health is dropping fast and you only have yellow/medium Stagger, it might be you're taking a lot of magic damage. Stagger halves its effectiveness for magic damage. If that's the case, try experimenting with Diffuse Magic for your tier 75 talent!
I found myself confused as to why my damage spiked in certain instances. Logs almost always reveal some sort of avoidable mechanic that I didn't know existed and only appears in heroic and/or mythic level.
I'm curious. Why would the healer impact how much damage you stagger? It seems like your use of ISB and PB should be totally independent of the healer, but maybe I'm missing something?
It's more even when only taking yellow stagger levels of constant damage the heals just seemed unable to keep up without constant purification help/etc. I just did another instance though with no problems so it seems more individual skill related than anything haha
Would you agree that the biggest thing we can do to impact mitigation is to maximize the amount of damage cleared by purifying brew?
In short, absolutely, yes!
In more detail, we have many options with talents and gear that can help us with mitigation.
+Crit helps with our Celestial Fortune healing, +Mastery helps with Dodge through Elusive Brawler stacks, and +Haste helps lowering Breath of Fire damage reduction uptime and brew cooldowns (more uses with Blackout Combo talented).
Talent choices, like
Experiment!
I've been confused on why Crit is valued over Versatility. Is there anything more than Celestial Fortune?
The consensus that Crit is valued higher, is that, like you said, works well with Celestial Fortune (for our heals and for external heals, the higher the chance, the less overall heals needed to keep us up, and the more mana can be saved from external heals, and our orbs heal for more) it also increases our damage!
Versatility is just an overall buff, and I like to keep some pieces of gear and trinkets with vers buffs for fights like Cenarius and Xavius with constant DoT damage.
What secondary stat would you say is best while leveling in Legion, and then once you reach 110? I'm currently leveling my BrM, and Haste seems like it's really good for the Brews, but I'm not sure. :p
For leveling, don't worry about stats, and get whatever has a higher itemlevel. I'd say to focus more on experimenting with your talents!
Once 110, and as annoying at this may sound, it depends! Haste is always going to be a good stat, since it will reduce our Brews so much, mastery is good for Elusive Brawler, crit for healing, versatility for all around passive mitigation.
The Brewmaster community is in a weird and unsure consensus among what stats are the best currently, but I believe one thing we all agree on is that iLvl is the most important. If you want to read more about how stats are not as important as they seem, and for the stats you do want to check out and see math for , check out:
M+10 Brewmaster here, no raid experience. AMA.
I have heard some good things about Brewmasters in higher level Mythics. What makes them good for those kind of runs?
High tolerance talent plus natural active mitigation means constantly getting hit directly for 10% of physical damage and staggering the rest. When spike damage is high, other tanks have their HP plummet instantly and the healer has to play race the HP bar which can put them in panic mode. But by staggering that much, it's a much smoother and more constant stream of steady damage. Much easier to cope with.
For this last week specifically, a lot of the trash mobs can be kited with impunity with Keg Smash's 50% slow, which conveniently is your biggest threat builder and has a long ass range. This lets you drop necrotic stacks whenever you want. Furthermore, the majority of your mitigation is from purify and dodge, which isn't affected by Necrotic.
Statue's AoE taunt was great for the week before's skittish (though you had to be careful of pulling extra stuff).
Brewmasters fall behind in raids because they can't purify enough to keep up with the sustained high damage intake. Bosses in M+s are still manageable though.
Brewmasters don't fall behind in raids because when you don't try to foolishly and pointlessly keep a 100% uptime on Ironskin Brew you find out it is suddenly quite easy to Purify very often and you take way less damage than before.
What's your ilvl and are you running M+ exclusively?
I can't be bothered with raiding but knowing that you're geared exclusively via M+ makes me a happy camper. If you are.
Nope, I raid as DPS. A large majority of my gear comes from M+ though, I only have 4 pieces from raids. Currently 869 equipped.
Ah ok, so it is quite possible to just stick with M+?
Yep, go for it!
I will say though that it'll probably be harder to find a group that's tryhard for M+ but doesn't raid. They usually go hand-in-hand. It might be more difficult to progress to higher M+ without a tryhard group.
Casual prot warrior at 863 this expansion been playing for 8 years if I can be that guy to answer questions ask away
I dunno if this is tank specific but how did you bridge the cap from 850-860 and casually? I'm kinda stuck around 852 right now unsure of how to get 860.
Honestly RNG, try to run one high mythic + win or lose, you get gear there hopefully and in your weekly chest. Tuesday's are your friend
Dude holy shit same. I've been 851 for over a week without a upgrade. Done multiple +4 and +5 dungeons too.
I already replied to the op with some info advice but to add to that, try to run mythic/mythic+ with people that wear the same gear as you so if they get something they dont need, then you get it and vice versa
Been running with my ret pally friend and we try to pickup a DK for dps. We rarely get gear. RNG is RNG I suppose.
Same here. Had a hard time getting over 850, now I feel like I've been 852 forever. Just doing +4's and +5's, my guild doesn't really have the gear to do higher, and I don't think I do either.
860 firemage currently, and my best advice is to just play the game tbh, im 3/7h so not a hardcore player by any means. I just run mythics with my guild and raid twice a week for about 2 and half hours each session, doing the world bosses will pay off in the end, i promise, i got very lucky with the first world boss and got a legendary and an 880 ring which carry my ilvl pretty hard
When you say high mythic plus what is that? I don't necessarily struggle on mythic normal but some fights I come close to dying so I've been afraid to try anything higher. I do raid normals as well, haven't tried HC. I can only hope this is the week I finally get some world boss gear!
I havent done anything over +7 and ive only ever done one of those, i just do a lot of 3-5's with people that wear the same gear and we all give each other things we dont need. Also, dont be scared to do a high level mythic+ the worst you can do is not beat the timer, and even if you dont beat the timer you still get 1 chest for a chance at a piece of gear, i would also suggest going out of your comfort zone at least once a week and do a very high m+ for the chest on tuesday, but again, you dont have to beat the timer
I rerolled as a blood dk. I am at 837 IL and want to start running mythics. What IL would you recommend me to be at to get into pugs? 840+? Also, what do you think are some of the "easier" mythics I can get away tanking at a lower IL?
I was tanking mythics at 810.
Regular Mythics haven't been a problem for me from 820 and up, I haven't tried earlier than that. You will be more than fine.
Same. People inspected me and questioned my ilvl and the fact that I had a couple of greens and a couple people even quit because of it, but it's faster to gear up doing mythics at 810 than going to heroics. You're fine as long as you can execute the fights and know what you're doing.
7/7H M+6 DH here, I'll answer whatever questions when I can.
I'd appreciate your armory for stats as well, also I'm seriously confused about what trinkets I should be going for in raids.
Most people are saying haste, since it increases pain generation and more faster recharge on Demon Spikes. I have mostly crit and have no problems surviving mythic EN.
However, I do realise for the smoothest intake of dmg you should be going for haste.
Chrono Shard is a good trinket, it procs all the time and give you around 4-5k more haste.
Armory was linked elsewhere in the thread but I would say the best trinkets to go for are off ursoc and xavius, but the dragons one has been pretty nice so far.
What is your stat priority and talent build? There's a lot of conflicting information out there for DH.
You can find my armory and logs above.
Wowhead is the most accurate. You stack stats for what you are doing.
These stats have worked well for me. I am not very optimized for Raids, but i'm at 30% crit, 14% haste, 20% mastery and 13% vers.
Survivability: Versatility > Haste > Mastery > Crit
DPS: Mastery = Crit >= Versatility >= Haste
MYTHIC+ Dungeons: Mastery > Crit = Versatility > Haste
My damage is consistently in the ~90th percentile with the tank survivability all over the place (but it's in beta anyway)
Talents I take for raid: 2(1 or 2)13211
100: feast for ST only, consistent cleave/aoe i take fallout.
102: Felblade always, to generate more pain for more soul cleaves/self heals
106: ST quickened, lots of ads chains (Chains is amazing for Eye ichors and trash)
Talents I take for Mythic+: 2(2 or 3)212(1 or 3)1
100: usually fallout, but i got the legendary boots so burning alive is now very appealing. Fallout is a great matchup for Feed the Demon, and I'm still testing which one of them I would rather have.
102: Flame Crash. AoE dps is very important on trash. Stagger your Sigil of Flames and Flame Crashes so they do not override.
104: Feed the Demon is best IMO. More AM uptime is needed more than leech from soul rending. Feed the Demon is best paired with 100 Fallout.
106: sigil of trains for controlling trash:
108: usually fel devastation but I like to play around with spirit bomb sometimes.
Your take on versatility is wrong its acutally rather useless running 12% is far to much I am 871 Dh tank 7/7 H mythic +12 most high end Dh tanks run around 4 % versatility as to add more haste and crit.
Can you link your armory?
[Should have opened with that, sorry] (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dalaran/Megacrobat/simple)
I use feast of souls instead of burning alive on fights without any adds like nythendra and ursoc.
Priority is crit>vers>mastery>haste since i'm going for dps. I think a max survivability priority just puts crit at the bottom of the list.
863 ilvl 5/7H M+5 DH here (fairly casual guiild)
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/area-52/Insaniak/advanced
character Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/16947103/latest/
Hello All, this is more of a general tanking question. Im a 852 Prot Warrior. I started venturing into Mythic+ 4-5 level trying to get gear. My biggest problem is that I keep running into groups that have all sorts of secret paths through these dungeons with minimal pulls, while still getting the 100% Enemies slain. My question is where is a good way to find these paths through the dungeons that provide the most efficient route through each one while getting close to the chest. Is there a guide somewhere?
And any Proc warrior feel free to comment on what you found was helpful in getting through this ilvl stall and progressing in Mythic+.
I'm hoping an all inclusive guide emerges eventually, but at the moment I'm mostly watching youtube videos of guys like Sco to see how they run Mythic+.
Thanks
Have become increasingly intrigued by DK tanks. Can anyone give me a general overview of their play style and other important info?
Priorities are maintaining 5 stacks of bone shield for the haste and survivability buff, using CDs wisely, and pooling runic power to death strike when you take big hits.
The core thing here is that you are taking full on, mostly unmitigated damage then healing yourself. Imagine that you are your own healer and that guy in your group is just backup.
It's a cool class fantasy of being a lord of death who can take near fatal damage, then plagues, bleeds, and strikes down their foes to heal him/herself. You're slow and hit hard and do not die (except sometimes to big pulls since you take the damage up front).
I have an 855ilvl BM monk. I ran into one problem so far. Only tired to tank one +7 mythic but necrotic destroyed me. It got better after I tried kiting, but on a Rokmora where he has multiple aoes it's a bitch to kite him BC i run the risk of turning his aoe directly at the healer. Is there a specific area he can't be kitted? Or can I freely run towards the barrels you take after him? I didn't want to do it and force reset him on a pug group. I basically avoided the adds by tossing down black ox statue and letting that pick up the adds with its taunt
The simplest way to deal with Rokmora adds is to plop down the black ox statue and let the adds go nuts on an inanimate object.
NOT tan king the adds was key with necrotic. if more than two of them are on you for an extended period your stacks went up fast. Have the dps just try and burst them as they can, and tank themselves, they don't do substantial melee damage and mostly effect shatter.
Hi all,
I'm looking for some advice regarding my protection spec on my paladin. One of my guild tanks has to work late shifts every other week so I decided to tank in the weeks wherein he is working. I'd like to think I'm doing reasonably well. I've tanked EN last Saturday and I ran into zero issues. Also according to the healers I was easy to heal without my health dropping too much. Since we don't have enough people in guild for raids we fill up a lot with pugs, and I tanked well enough nobody noticed I was tanking a raid for the first time in years.
However, tanking Xavius was terrifying. I saw my health drop like crazy, CD's be damned. I know this fight deals with a lot of tank damage. I main holy and I've healed it before, successfully, and even as a healer that fight was terrifying in phase 3. I want to become less squish for my healers! I did everything right, calling out for dispels, running out before calling out, move him, etc. I didn't hear any complaints but, that, damage, wow. I'll also have to tank heroic mode eventually.
Problem is that I main holy so most of my gear is crit based. My holy spec is currently 856 with quite some pieces 850-860. Since I just started to collect tank specific gear I don't have a lot of it yet. I was focusing on versatility also for tanking, to find out today that it's not versatility > haste but haste > versatility so confusion hit. I only have 1 piece of gear that has both haste and versatility.
I've been using all my crit gear that has a decent amount of versatility on it but should I focus more on haste? That isn't much of a problem but I thought I was somehow lucky with some of my holy gear pieces having both crit and versatility.
I've been using Icy veins as a general guide (I swap some talents around every now and then) but their stat priority does not mention strength. I can get some more haste pieces but with most of my gear being in the 850-860 range that will drop to an 835-840 range, meaning I will lose out on strength. Is it worth sacrificing ilvl and strength for higher secondary stats?
Then my final question... Since I'm asking questions anyway. What item level should I aim for as tank (and as healer to be honest) to tank EN heroic? My current tank spec is 852. I'll add a link to my armory page to show my current state of tankiness.
I need to tank again really soon so thanks in advance for helping a confused protadin out :) Sorry for long post :p
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/V%C3%A9lka/advanced
So first off, hard to evaluate anything without logs.
Were you tank-swapping properly in phase 2 and 3? When your debuff is dispelled in phase 2/3 you get a debuff called Blackened that increases physical damage taken by 150% for 30 seconds. If you're taunting back too soon you're going to be taking massive hits and you need to be prepared for it.
On vers/haste: vers slightly edges out haste for survivability, but haste is better than vers for damage so they're kinda equal. Ideally you'd want haste/vers on everything but the loot drops suck so you're generally going to end up with haste/mastery or haste/crit and vers on whatever lucky pieces you get from M+ for now.
Sacrificing ilvl for haste/vers is really only worth it on rings/neck unless you're only talking 5 ilvl differences on pieces. Strength isn't as important for survivability, but armor is.
Thank you! Exactly what I was looking for :) That could very well explain the damage. We call out taunts on Discord and work with the DBM cues but I just went to check the dungeon journal again and I'll probably have some finetuning to do there! Logs is really something I need to setup, indeed, going to look into that for next raid.
The stat priority / ilvl thing also makes better sense now, time to go through my bags and compare all the things :D
Xavius is one of those fights where the tank needs a dedicated healer. Crit gear inherently makes you weaker to magic and more susceptible to burst damage, two things which are bad to have for xavius. That being noted, the bonus strength and stamina from +10ilvl upgrades usually outweighs the negative stat loss. Be sure to keep 20% haste breakpoint though, because that is a huge stat point to reach for prot Paladins.
We had a pretty large group, so I had 2 holy paladins focused on tanks and 3 druids on the raid and helping out. It still went pretty good, he went down on the 5th attempt, and it wasn't really a tank problem in the healers opinion but more of a group problem. Most of the group had never seen Xavius before so it took some finetuning and finding a tactic that worked for that group :)
Still, I do think the massive damage came indeed from the blackened debuff so I'm definitely going to look into what Corazu said.
I'm going to make a comparison between item level and secondary stats then, and see where the biggest loss lies. I wasn't aware of the 20% haste breakpoint so thank you! :)
Right, another person said make sure your Blackened debuff falls off before you taunt in Phase 2 and 3. If you don't, you're going to get wrecked. If you are the dreamer, and have blackened, and Xavius gaines Nightmare Infusion, you're just going to have to taunt and eat that corruption and extreme damage. Call out to your raid, "External <my name> please". Bust out the major CDs - GOAK stacked with AD, if you have it.
Also remember to lay on hands twice during the fight, once while dreaming (even if it's a waste on someone with 75% health) and once while not. While dreaming, you get to use your CDs at the slightest hint of incoming damage.
Please use this ability timing for good Xavius smoothing:
On pull: 1x SHOR; when SHOR expires:
X; when expires:
2-3 SHOR; Use 3, or only 2 if you have it.
This will cover damage 100% of the time while you are tanking Xavius, and it is sustainable. It's important that you have zero overlap while chaining these abilities. You can use the addon NeedToKnow to track buff and debuff timers (Eye of Tyr on boss). What's X? X is a variable ability used to cover missing SHOR coverage while you wait for optimal use of SHORs.
X is, in this order, AD, then Eye of Tyr, then on-use trinkets.
So, the first time you tank Xavius and take stacks, you use AD.
Your next swap in where you take stacks for the 2nd time, X becomes Tyr.
Your next swap in where you take stacks for the 3rd time, X becomes trinkets.
By the time you're taking stacks for the 4th time, AD will be off CD if you have 3 traits in - Unflinching Defense, is it?
I have no 3 traits in Unflinching defense yet because as I main holy I didn't have a ton of AP to spend on Truthguard yet. I went to Tyr's enforcer and now almost at Bulwark of order... Not ideal but doing the best with what I can, trying to get more AP asap :)
But that CD rotation is amazing, thank you so much. I'm going to work that out tonight. Talking with the other tank on Discord at the moment and we recognize the blackening failure and we're going to finetune our cd usage! I sometimes panic when my health drops and use a cd at the wrong time... Going to focus on this instead :) Learning as we goooo...
I sometimes panic when my health drops
The Legion prot paladin requires a lot more discipline than the WoD prot paladin. The biggest thing is understanding that even when you are dying, whether or not you should do more, even if you can. SHOR is really good. 50% damage reduction, across the board. If you are dying through SHOR, you may be tempted to bust a CD, but should you really do more? You are already taking a whopping 50% less damage.
Something to keep in mind. Also, GOAK is just a discount 2x SHOR on a 5m CD. Same damage reduction, but 1 second less than 2x SHOR.
Things to think about.
Also, the timing guide I gave you is a mental one. I actually swap on four stacks so healers get corrupted less quickly, and my timing guide is based around that. I forgot to adjust to a shorter swap time, which is 8 seconds shorter, I think. Either way, I'm pretty sure 3x SHOR should be off CD when it's your turn again.
You'll have to play around a little bit and observe the timings. Two things may be appropriate:
SHOR > X > 2x SHOR, or;
SHOR > X > After 4.5 seconds of X, overlap by casting 2x SHOR then 3rd SHOR off CD).
The bottom line is, you want to have SHOR rather than X for higher stacks (more damage), and you want your mitigation to expire right as the other tank taunts, on the third stack. You only SHOR in the beginning because that first SHOR you use comes off CD when X expires. Note that Tyr and AD have similar durations, 9 and 8 seconds, respectively. Trinkets are variable.
7/7 H EN, M+9 Guardian Druid Tank. What up?
I've been alt-tanking as a Bear (so many fun buttons!) and I feel particularly squishy at the start of a fight. Not so much when taunting back (because you can generate rage when off-tanking), but like the window between the start of the fight and when you can get 2 applications of Ironfur up. What are you doing on the pull for something like Eye that seems to hit really hard in a short window?
Hey! Welcome to bear life, it's super great!
There are a few different things I do to mitigate the early damage and it obviously depends on the situation you're in.
What would you consider best talents for mythics +8 and above?
Hey! It somewhat depends on the affixes/your group.
Typically My Talents look like this:
Brambles
Guttural Roars
Restoration Affinity
Mighty Bash
Galactic Guardian
Guardian of Elune
Rend and Tear ( I have Elize so this is always my pick)
I feel this gives a good combo of utility, dmg, mitigation.
That being said, I will sometimes take Balance affinity to ensure I get thrash up on everything in Nelths or some place where it's harder to stack mobs. Displacer Beast is great for breaking away and kiting. Typhoon is good for the same reason.
I used my free boost with legion to make a guardian druid, and I'm loving it. I actually like it more than my fire mage.
I did get over my anxiety with tanking dungeons. But I'm having a hard time with some mechanics of fights, I got accustomed to the habit of playing a mage where I would frequently have to find a safe place to stand and mash buttons. But tanking is a lot more active, and this is sometimes an issue with my toaster having bad frames sometimes.
Mechanics aside which I'm sure I'll just adapt to, there's some abilities i know I'm not using efficiently, most notably rage of the sleeper and survival instincts.
The way I would think that survival instincts should be used is when your about to take a huge amount of damage....so I hold it for too long. Example last night I was talking shiver maw in violet hold, and I forget the ability, but I suddenly took a large chunk if damage and panicked and used instinct after to prevent more from coming so my healer could bring me back up. Which I know is not the "correct use of that"
And I just plain don't really know the best time to use rage of the sleeper tbh.
Part of using those two abilities and many others is being familiar with the encounters. I will use Rage of the Sleeper for AoE dmg and the beginning of a large pull, as a dmg mitigation when others are on cooldown, etc. Much like bears ourselves, it is versatile.
Survival instincts I will use when I know big damage is coming (obviously), but don't think it just has to be for big boss hits. If you're doing s big pull/might LoS the healer or the healer gets CCd or has to run to do mechanics, it really helps to smooth out the damage.
Ah I see. Typically (though I have not run heroics yet keep that in mind) I can make a big pull or yknow, someone's out of position and pulls more, I typically seem to be fine with just rage of sleeper and iron fur and maybe frenzied regeneration and everything ok. I've never felt It was necessary to pop survival on a pull except the bats in dht.
I had the feeling that they're 2-4 minute long CDs and I should save them for when I really "really" need them.
I'll be a bit more liberal with them now though, ty
I'm an 870 bear druid, I started pushing into mythic EN and I'm really wanting to make a tank alt now.
I'm thinking of an alliance DH or DK.
Any comments or advice would be appreciated.
Avoid DK super hard right now. I just see no reason to be a blood DK. Nothing feels good about it (aside from the class lore, that is still fantastic). Your mastery is useless, you have bad cooldowns, you take a shit ton of damage and your active mitigation for boss checks is super frustrating because it can be taken away by DoTs and auto-attacks (or really damage from any source before the boss check move).
I stopped trying to gear up as blood and went unholy and I am leveling my druid alt so that I can actually tank.
I play DH. Super fun.
My Blood DK is around 832 iLevel. I've healed LFR a few times, and will start queueing as a tank. When can I start getting serious about tanking Mythic+0? Heroics waiting for an item upgrade is getting quite slow, as are WQ upgrades.
Tank Mythic+0 now. Hell, start tanking up to +2 or +3. You may need to form your own group, but Mythic+0 is not hard at all at that gearlevel assuming everyone knows how to play.
You can tank mythics and LFR now my man! You could do normal mode EN even.
Ah, I guess I was taking the custom group finder stuff too much to heart - most groups I see are looking for 840, which seems high to me. Thanks!
I would just create your own group. You're a tank, so you should have no trouble filling the group. Set the ilvl at whatever you are currently at so that 860+ people don't expect too much of you.
865 7/7h mythic +9 prot warrior. Wanting to help anyone looking for advice.
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Current best set up still Ultimatum/HR for mythic +? Going as Haste>mastery=Ver>crit
Prot warrior stat weight:
Is it haste/mastery/versa, versa/mastery/haste, haste/versa/mastery or ?! I just lost track. I just run 20%haste/mastery/vers/haste atm and i guess it feels ok, but i can't find real answers and the sims still seem to be lackluster concerning ip usage.
It depends on how you want to play. If you want overall damage mitigation then its Vers>Mastery>Haste. If you want higher Shield Block uptime its Haste>Vers>Mastery. I play the former.
It also really depends on what content you plan on running. And even then you get guys like that realm first +15 prot who stacked up a lot of crit. Personally, I run crit/mastery/haste/versatility in that order with ~25% crit, 36% mastery, 12% haste and I think 6% vers. I'm only ilevel 848 and I do great at ±2/3. I imagine with the right DPS and heals, i can easily handle +4. I really feel the versatility stacking doesn't matter until higher level runs.
So you know just about as much as everyone else.
It means it doesn't really matter... other than crit is bad :)
870, 7/7h +8 here. Just get the higher ilvl gear you can get, put whatever enchants and gems you want and remember to press Ignore Pain often.
lmao this is probably the best advice here
You so funny
Guardian druid here. 7/7H 1/7M with a big push coming this week. Ask away and I'll do my best to answer.
Hey! So I'm about to grab gory fur on my ilvl 848 Bear tank and as I think about my next few traits I realize i accidently skipped bear hug should I pick that up before my third gold trait(Adaptive Fur) or wait till after?
It depends how close to adaptive fur you are, if you're just starting down the tree then grab bear hug first, but if you already have 2-3 points in then just wait till after you get adaptive fur imo.
Alright, that's kind of what i was thinking, because with gory fur 20% chance of resetting mangle seems stronger than the few percents of extra armor from ironfur.
Thanks!
Just starting tanking this xpac, and loving it. I feel that the thing I'm missing to take me to the next level is a good addon for cooldowns and buff/debuff durations. Does anyone have a simple WeakAuras setup for a Prot Warrior? Not familiar with setting up addons like this so I'm looking for something I can simply download or copy + paste.
Weak auras has the option to just paste a string into it, I'm not a prot warrior so don't have one for then but if you google "prot warrior weak auras string legion" you'll probably find a few that have screenshots showing what it's like so you can pick whichever will suit you.
Xylen#1177. Add me on Bnet and I can send it to you, in game.
But Tanking Tuesdays are on Sundays. NotLikeThis
Yeah, I made it because of that thread. I think they setup the mod slightly wrong and it isn't posting correctly. And I enjoy my morning tanking thread, so I guess I am the hero no one wants or needs today.
It has always been posted around 11am EST. I put it up around 11 EST with an explanation of what happened on the weekend.
Don't the other weekly threads go up earlier? I specifically checked the Murloc thread time to make sure it had been over a day since it was posted. I figured they would all be setup at the same time.
Edit: I wasn't trying to doing any nefarious, just thought it wasn't looking like it would post correctly.
I just set them all to go up at 10AM est.