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mioko

A few requests for advice for our first trip to Japan (for 6 weeks).

Advice

Hi!

My wife and I are traveling to Japan for the first time mid-November and will be there for a total of 6 weeks, heading home just before January. We have our flights and lodging all settled and paid but could use some advice regarding currency and travel within the country for our prolonged stay. We will be spending 4 weeks in Tokyo and then 2 weeks in Kyoto.

Currency: We aren't ultra-frivolous but we plan on splurging a little bit here and there on nicer meals and day-trips to locales... So, what would be a safe amount of currency we should convert to Yen for this length of trip? Also, through what means would you suggest converting a larger quantity of Yen? Airport? Bank? Our bank is Wells Fargo with which we have the usual Visa debit cards as well as American Express credit cards, but we wanted to minimize the amount of money we fork over in foreign currency conversion fees and weren't certain how readily available ATMs will be once we leave Tokyo proper. We plan on getting and loading up some Suica or Pasmo cards as soon as possible when we're there, but also didn't know what good those would be outside public transit, vending machines, and some convenience stores.

Travel: As for travel, we weren't planning on doing much long-distance travel outside of the moving between Tokyo and Kyoto a few times, so we weren't interested in the Japan Rail Pass but were curious about what kind of transportation one might take out a distance to Aokigahara, for example, from Tokyo. Are bus lines simple enough for that kind of day trip? Would the Suica/Pasmo cards work for that sort of public transit? Also, what kind of costs might be involved in taking a ferry out to Naoshima or similar islands?

Any advice would be much appreciated!

Posted Oct 26, 2016, 2:53 AM UTC

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shellinjapan•

ATMs that take foreign cards are available in 7/11s and post offices. Unless you're getting off the beaten track and into rural areas, you'll never be too far from an ATM!

It's hard to tell you how much cash you should bring without knowing exactly what you're doing. I take around 30,000 yen with me (I have a currency conversion place in my city that gives great rates), and top up as needed at ATMs. I can load yen onto my card, so don't have to worry about conversion fees. Consider getting a credit or debit card that can be used overseas with little or no fees.

Cards are accepted at most larger businesses; I use mine to pay for accommodation and larger purchases at stores like Tokyu Hands, Uniqlo, H&M and department stores. Again, my card doesn't charge fees for this.

For Suica/PASMO, you can use these at many vending machines and convenience stores, but not all. And you will need cash to load them.

I don't understand why you want to move between Tokyo and Kyoto more than once. That's a waste of time and money! Spend some time in Tokyo, then spend some time in Kyoto. If you fly out of Tokyo, return and spend some more time there, but don't make another trip to Kyoto. You're just throwing away time and money on the travel.

IC cards aren't accepted on all public transport. Online research should be able to tell you specifically which ones do and don't. Always keep enough cash on you to cover the cost if it turns out you can't use your IC card. Have you actually looked up how to get to the places you want to go, like Aokigahara?

If you're heading out to places like Naoshima, there's a chance a 14-day JR Pass might pay off. Make sure you check, because it might save you money! If you include a trip to Hiroshima with your Tokyo-Kyoto-Tokyo round-trip, a 14-day JR Pass will pay off.

Note that you can't use IC cards for long-distance trips (e.g. Tokyo to Kyoto). You'll need to buy separate tickets for that.

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noodlez•

we wanted to minimize the amount of money we fork over in foreign currency conversion fees

Depending on how hard you want to push here, you can ask your bank or AmEx if you can transfer you cards into a different type - specifically one without any foreign exchange fees. I know I transferred my Bank of America Visa into a Travel Rewards one with 0 forex fees. Just paid conversion plus spot, which is what you'd pay for currency transfer anyway.

weren't certain how readily available ATMs will be once we leave Tokyo proper

Very readily available, comparatively speaking. Having said that, take out enough cash to cover yourself when you're nearby one. If you get in a pinch you can almost certainly find one. As u/shellinjapan noted there are usable ATMs at every 7/11 and post office at minimum, and most major businesses accept credit.

We plan on getting and loading up some Suica or Pasmo cards as soon as possible when we're there, but also didn't know what good those would be outside public transit, vending machines, and some convenience stores.

Don't overload them. I actually just used cash every time I visited because I didn't want to put more $ on the card than I was going to use.

between Tokyo and Kyoto a few times, so we weren't interested in the Japan Rail Pass

I think you're underestimating the cost of transport. The cost of a round trip ticket from Tokyo to Kyoto is approximately equivalent to the cost of a 7 day pass. If you have a few side trips in mind, the cost quickly justifies a 14 day pass. And that doesn't even include the incidental local travel you get to take advantage of.

Here's a quick comparison using destinations you've already noted.

  • 21 day JR pass (today): 59,350 yen
  • Round trip Tokyo to Kyoto non-reserved seating: approx 26,000
  • Round trip Tokyo to Mt Fuj (Aokigahara, approximately): 5,600
  • Round trip Kyoto to Naoshima area (no ferry included): 17,000
  • 3 trip total: approx 48,600 - more than a 14 day pass right off the top.

I suspect that while you're in Kyoto you'll make some day trips to Osaka, Fushimi Inari, Nara, etc.. That alone should make up the remaining cost. And that means all the local travel or extra day trips you get in there during those 3 weeks are gravy.

A lot of people have the misconception that you have to start using your JR pass immediately upon arrival. You don't. You can buy a 14 or 21 day pass and save it for when you're ready to go to Kyoto.

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Himekat•

As for travel, we weren't planning on doing much long-distance travel outside of the moving between Tokyo and Kyoto a few times

May I ask what made you decide on this? 6 weeks in just Tokyo and the Kyoto area... is a lot. Not that you'll be bored, but even with day trips outside of Tokyo and outside of Kyoto/Osaka, that will be weeks that you'll have to fill in those cities. You have enough time to pretty much do Japan top-to-bottom and it feels to me like you're largely squandering it if you aren't seeing some other places. Is there something particularly interesting about those places, or some goal you're achieving there?

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miokoOP•

We would rather simulate living in a place instead of indulging in everything and filling the days with sightseeing. Being a little bit bored here and there and staying in the apartment we rented is part of the plan. We are toying with he prospects of leaving the States for good and will partially be doing some networking/research in Tokyo as we are in the photography/design/advertising/fashion industry. The Kyoto extension came later as a "let's just spend Christmas there too and maybe be somewhere a little less metropolitan" as we aren't in a hurry to come back home during a time our freelance work is generally not happening.

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mk572•

Hanging around Tokyo for fun bleeds into your cash reserves very quickly. There is a lot of fun to have here, but it costs. Expect to spend JPY 200k in addition to hotels over the trip. Maybe more.

Make sure you have 2-3 different ways of accessing your US funds. Nothing ruins a holiday more than the one card you rely on for cash not working.

Also, don't let your eyes get too rosy-tinted. Tokyo is one of the most fun places to hang out on this planet, but establishing yourself professionally here is a whole different bag. The make or break is whether you are willing to invest time and frustration into learning the language or not. Everything else can be solved fairly easily if you are level-headed about it.

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amyranthlovely•

Also, don't let your eyes get too rosy-tinted. Tokyo is one of the most fun places to hang out on this planet, but establishing yourself professionally here is a whole different bag. The make or break is whether you are willing to invest time and frustration into learning the language or not.

Language is important, but not the only barrier. As lovely as it sounds to move to Japan possibly, you should take the time to find out the hard and fast rules Japan has for immigration, or even working on a Tourist Visa. 6 weeks vacation is awesome, and I wish I could afford to go for that long myself, but vacation is not what life will be like, not by a long shot.

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never-ever-post•

FYI, you can open a schwab bank account which has free international ATM access (refunded at the end of the month). If you get a credit card with no international transaction fees you should be good to go.

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