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Aleitheo

[Discussion] What 3rd person games involving shooting do you recommend for getting used to the track pad at your own pace?

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I've had the Steam controller for a year now, time has flown by. I haven't used the controller on a lot of games but for a few that I have used it on, I've made a lot of use out of it. Two examples are Legend of Grimrock 2 and Euro Truck Simulator 2.

With LoG I've taken advantage of mouse regions to turn the right trackpad into what is effectively an 8+ button arrangement. See those character portraits on the bottom right? Those weapons need to be clicked to use them. Even drawing a pattern of runes to cast a spell feels great. The controller lets me play the game without my keyboard and mouse at all thanks to the grips functioning as toggles for the mouse on the inventory and my surroundings.

In Euro Truck Sim I get a lot of the functionality that I can't get on the controller thanks to radial menus. I select what I want to appear on them and it all feels perfectly natural.

But then there's 3rd person games, I have yet to get used to the right trackpad for moving the camera. I of course use gyro for fine aiming but the problem is turning with the trackpad. Either I turn in small increments or the trackpad is sensitive enough to pick up slight movements of my thumb which touches a good bit of the surface area.

I recently played Space Marine, I think I heard that the game is good for the controller because it's a combo of 3rd person melee and shooting. I tried but the above problems happened and I ended up playing the rest of the game with the mouse and keyboard.

Does anyone know of a good game that has 3rd person aiming that doesn't rely on me being good at it to begin with? I'd prefer the game to be open world since I can take things at my own pace. While also having encounters not be too demanding that I feel I would just be better off with the mouse and keyboard. Something where ammo isn't much of a problem so I don't feel like I am being punished for missing shots. On top of that, what is the recommended settings for this game so I spend less time finding the sweet spot.

I've got a good deal of games already, one of which being Fallout 4. I originally tried that with the controller but didn't get far at the time, kept missing those first few radroaches.

Edit: Max Payne 3 seems to be a common suggestion so far. Until then I'll try GTA out.

Posted Nov 9, 2016, 7:36 PM UTC · edited

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onsamyjSteam Controller / DualShock 4•

“Tomb Raider” reboot, maybe? I finished first one with traditional gamepad, and “Rise of” with SC on survival (hardest difficulty). It has aim assist (or whatever it called), it’s open world-ish, and if you just wanna learn, pick lower difficulty, so not to worry about ammo and stuff.

But, honestly, I’m not sure if any specific game would be better than others for what you trying to do. Just use this with your Steam library, pick “Full controller support”, “Open World” and “Third-Person Shooter”, and chose one game that you like to play anyway, regardless of SC.

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onsamyjSteam Controller / DualShock 4•

Ooh, also, “The Division”. Open world third person shooter, check. Headshots matter, but not that much. You can pick sniper rifles to rely more on them, or spray-n-pray with assault rifles and machineguns. Or both. Ammo is rarely a problem. I played through it with gamepad setup and KB&M setup, and they both work well with touchpads and gyro.

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danielhoglanSteam Controller•

i was about suggesting the division too but imho is not a scenario for training, it could be frustrating sometimes if enemies overwhelm you. btw OT you should try to look at options like "edge camera spin" (basically is like an analog stick when you are on the edge) and/or "trackball friction". acceleration also could be useful but needs a lot of muscle memory and i never use it

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8bitcerberus•

At least in "rise of", aim assist is off when using keyboard and mouse, don't remember the option in the reboot though.

Also in rise is the ability to turn off the auto re-centering camera and tone down the "cinematic" wobble-cam, making it a much nicer experience. Played through both with the Steam Controller as keyboard and mouse recently. Worked great though much better on rise once I turned off the auto re-center and wobble-cam.

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Vladie•

Max Payne 3, the bullet-time (slow mo) gives you extra time to aim and it's quite forgiving. I personally have recently been using it to incorporate gyro aim (so much fun) along with practising trackpad aim.

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AleitheoOP•

That one is a linear game though, isn't it? The slo mo sounds good though I'd like some sort of sandbox to practice in too. Also how reliant is it on the story, settings and characters of the previous games?

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Vladie•

Yeah it's linear, but the narrative is fluidly woven into the gameplay in a way that kept the generic plot from becoming too tiresome. You don't really need to know much more than Max has seen some shit and he's all fucked up because of it.

There are for sure other open ended games that seem more up your street, I just recommended it because the bullet time is good for easing you into the new controls for aiming.

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byrd798•

Borderlands. It was actually one of the first games I played with the controller. I did alright, but I was joining friends on an old save that was pretty intense. It should be fine for starting out. It's open worldly which you seem to be asking for.

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AleitheoOP•

While I have and enjoyed Borderlands, it's 1st person which means that aiming is something you are always doing. That's too much for a game where I would like to get used to aiming at my own pace. If I can't aim well at first then I can't do much at all in the game. That's why I wanted 3rd person games, because those tend to be playable without having to adjust your aim anywhere near as much.

Thanks anyway.

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zer0saber•

Saints Row IV was really the first 3PS that I tried with the SC. It worked pretty well, once I tweaked the config a bit.

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8bitcerberus•

Seconding this, and adding SR3, and Gat out of Hell.

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CriticalComposer•

Dating all the way back to the launch of the SC there has been a huge vote for Shadow of Mordor. Much like Space Marine it has a combination of melee and and ranged but the aiming should feel less clunky (IIRC Space Marine forces aiming acceleration in the engine). Mad Max is also a good game but be warned that a recent patch removed the ability to use XInput and M+K simultaneously. I might also suggest the GTA series. I don't enjoy the series but GTA4 and GTA5 seems to check all of your boxes (open world, lots of ammo, medium combat difficulty).

As for settings, everyone has a different opinion. Many users recommend altering a ton of the default settings for both the gyro and the pad. I tend to play with 99% default settings and I hold my own even in competitive games like Dirty Bomb and CS:GO. You won't hear this opinion very much around here, but playing with the same settings and developing muscle memory are the only ways to get better at aiming. There isn't a special combination of settings that will magically improve your game.

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AleitheoOP•

I've got Shadow of Mordor and I enjoyed that. Might go back to it at some point with the controller.

I've also got GTA5 yet it's the Rockstar store version so I'd have to play around with getting it to work with the controller. I played it a little on M&K he other day, driving without a stick is horrible. I beat the game years ago on 360 so I'm already familiar with it. I'll probably use GTA to experiment with this, I can use the whole lock on thing to act as training wheels too.

The mouse acceleration thing with Space Marines is likely why it felt so weird to me. As for Mad Max, I've had some interest in it before and seen it on sale for cheap before yet the patch disabling simultaneous inputs like that bugs me.

I get that there isn't a special combo of settings to go for but more often than not they do help a lot to use them as a starting point. Also I don't know if it is any use but I enjoyed the way aiming worked in Splatoon and Majora's Mask 3D. That was stick and gyro though but the sensitivity combos are likely what I would prefer.

Thanks for the help

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capylikesgames•

Gotta disagree with that last part. Most default settings are OK, but smoothing is awful for any game that requires quick reaction time. You shouldn't really enable it unless the game has a calm pace. I know my aim was immediately improved when I turned it off, and from there it was just a matter of messing with sensitivity settings to get rid of jitter.

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CriticalComposer•

I've tried with smoothing disabled and it completely kills my ability to track accurately. Like most settings on the SC, it is completely up the user whether it benefits them. :)

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morris1morris•

Maybe GTA v and use cheats for ammo and weapons. I keep it set to joystick mouse with the gyro (if you'd like) be set as joystick mouse with the right touch pad activating it. You could have the left trigger activate it, but I find that it restricts my camera movement too much when I have it set to that. When I started I kept the trackball set to medium and kept the in game sensitivity set to default.

After a while it becomes second nature. Now it's pretty much; flick, stop, gyro, headshot :)

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AleitheoOP•

I found that most of the time I didn't have to worry about ammo in GTA so I think I won't have to worry about that. As for weapons, that $500,000 that I automatically got for connecting my 360 save or whatever, that bought me a really good pistol and SMG that means I don't have to worry.

I don't think I would need to use gyro aiming when not holding the left trigger, just the trackpad should be fine there I think.

I'll keep the settings in mind though. They should come in helpful.

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mmm_vernors•

Mgsv

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[deleted]•

Seconded. This game plays like a charm with the SC and it's the very definition of "your own pace".

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Nabs617SC | DS4 | Link•

Max Payne 2 might be my fav game with the SC. It doesn't require pinpoint accuracy, and allows you to learn the gyro and trackpad at your own pace.

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silverflowers•

Hardly shooting but Mad Max helped me tons in learning the trackpads

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the926Steam Controller•

I would say stick with compatible games but if you want something out of the norm I've actually liked playing gears of war 4 with it. Did some horde mode a day ago. There are lots of codes floating around that you might find one cheap on eBay or something.

You have to use the desktop config and use keyboard bindings but one you remember where everything is it's pretty damn accurate. With the combo of gyro and touchpad controlling mouse movement.

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M3mph•

Doom 3 BFG Edition was mine.

Had a bash on Doom, getting used to just left/right trackpad motion. Progressed to Doom 3, where most combat is front-on in tight corridors, with little verticality and no specific weak-points on enemies to aim for. Come the later levels, you will get used to pulling a 180, with all the enemies that spawn behind you.

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