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Twodeegee

Need help /w DPS - Windwalker

Hello, I've been playing windwalker since the start of legion and I've been doing heroic EN runs for a while now. However our guild is planning to see if we can get started on mythic EN soon-ish and I've been noticing that for my item level, my dps is severely lacking. In regards to ilvl brackets I'm rarely ever getting above 20 percentile.

When we started logging, I started noticing that I was performing poorly and tried to change things up to get my dps higher; changing a few talents around, drop whirling dragon punch for serenity despite it being more difficult to get used to. However now I've gotten used to serenity and my DPS is still parsing very poorly. I'm pretty much clueless about what I'm doing wrong, so I would appericiate it if someone could check out the logs to see what the issue(s) are.

Logs of our latest EN Heroic run: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BFWNGpZfaQ87JdmC

My armory link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/chamber-of-aspects/Twodg/advanced

Posted Nov 16, 2016, 10:43 PM UTC · edited

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WLCats•

I havn't looked much, but checkmywow doesn't show anything horrible. Your Serenity seems weirds, as they don't follow a pattern. You're not going for the FoF clip consistently and sometime you're not using SotWL. Whatever you decide to go for there's some delaying to do in order to maximize Serenity windows.

Other than that 77% isn't horrible. The ilvl bracket is indeed low, but I feel that optimizing SEN and getting better legendaries could do the trick. I'm seeing you with ring + gloves on Ursoc, if you had the cloak you could just sit in Miasma or faceplant some charges on CD for 40k dps. The boots could also give you 2 extra BoKs every 22s, it's not our highest DpC but it adds up

I'm by no means a pro monk, just trying to give you a fresh look on your logs !

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Sedirex_KR•

I'm not OP, but could you give me an idea of what the ideal Serenity looks like? I just switched from WDP last week and although I know I should always be getting a FoF, SotWL, and 2 RSKs in with SCKs to fill in the gaps, I feel like there's more optimizing to be done. I'm also not sure what you mean by FoF clip. Thanks for any help you can offer.

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MrPenguins1•

What you said about what you want to squeeze in SEN is correct but what he means by clipping FoF is that you use it at the end of your SEN, as in its the last GCD you cast while you have SEN active. I know some people say you can fit a BoK into you SEN with more haste but I haven't done it myself. Just using your abilities on cooldown will line up with SEN because it cuts the CD'S in half when you activate it.

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WLCats•

Sorry I didn't check Reddit in a while, I would suggest looking at this guide for a basic idea of the different ways to go around Serenity.

There's a Gale burst Serinity (CF the opener rotation ToD > Sen/RSK > SotWL > FoF > RSK > SCK> BoK > SCK). You might not have time to fit everything according to your haste/if BL is on. Some people just try to do that consistently. While it's a good way to go around Serenity you can get more overall damage theorically by fully utilizing the cooldown reduction aspect of Serenity mid-fight. Meaning you want to trigger Serenity when SotWL has 12s CD and FoF 14s, using your last two GCDs to cast SotWL and then "Clip" FoF. FoF's damage wouldn't be fully empowered by Serenity but you'd get so much CD reduction that you'd come out doing more damage.

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Baggotry3/7M•

it's kind of weird that you don't think it's relevant to link your armory

you crit 7% more than me and your FOF hits for 20k less per tick, you probably have bad stat weights

mine are 9.2k mast, 4100 vers, 4300 crit. ideally I should be at 9.2k mast, 4.7k vers, 4.5k crit.

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TwodeegeeOP•

I guess you're right about linking armory, I didn't really think about that, I'll add it to the post.

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Baggotry3/7M•

8000 mast 5000 crit 3600 vers

Okay so your weights aren't perfect but they aren't bad. You're 8000 m /3600 vers 5000 crit. You should look to lower your crit and haste and raise your m/vers.

plus you don't have the best dps legendaries, so you will have lower parses against those who do around your item level.

can't say much more on mobile atm

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Gigapode•

You probably already know all this stuff but I've written it down now so here it stays:

As a one-stop shop for all things WW dps you should check out walkingthewind.com Use the sticky post on this subreddit to help itemise. Relics have a big impact.

Once you have a handle on how you should be itemising, how you should be playing generally (see the TLDR guide on the above website for priorities) and then give some thought and practice at maximising that for a given encounter (stuff like maximising movement efficiency and karma damage safely or delaying a fists of fury by a couple seconds to line-up with an Ursoc add or Elerethe spider AOE), then you should run your logs through checkmywow.com, which will show you specific areas where you can improve.

Improving generally involves practice. Your dps will noticeably improve once you are more comfortable in an encounter and at staying alive. Specific things to look out for are making sure you always having chi ready to cast fists of fury, strike of the windlord and rising sun kick as they come off cooldown (which means not spamming the chi/energy spenders when you see those abilities are coming up) and keeping up hit combo. Those types of things are what checkmywow can point out.

Pre-potting before a pull and then potting again at the right times to make use of the full minute during the phase where it counts the most (like during lust or as serenity/SEaF line up with touch or death again) also makes a significant impact.

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Hobo_with_a_banjo•

Well, for starter I would say you have too much haste. As item budget goes , secondary stats have a really massive impact and haste brings very little to ww Monks.

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wislo10•

Just because I haven't seen anyone else specifically mention it: You have to replace Spiked Counterweight ASAP. I'm guessing an 840 WQ stat-stick (go for vers probably) will outperform it significantly. I'd recommend getting into the habit of Simming yourself, to check out gear options.

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TwodeegeeOP•

I've simmed it, spiked counterweight gives me slightly more single target damage than an 860 terrorbound nexus, and way more than an 875 force of nature.

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illusionarily•

Something that I didn't see mentioned, you absolutely need to replace your relics. Weapon damage isn't especially important for WW (most abilities scale purely with AP), so higher damage relic traits outweigh weapon item level.

http://walkingthewind.com/guides/wordy/

Go to the artifacts tab, read the relics section. Your 903 weapon is currently worse than an 870 weapon with triple Fist of the Winds relics.

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iQiix•

I can't look too much, in the car on mobile (not driving haha) but idk about all the comments. My stat weights are pretty bad, i have tonnes too much haste, and I don't have the best legendaries but I still parse well. Get serenity down and make sure you aren't delaying your 3 main damage dealers. It's worth holding off a second to be able to use them as soon as they are off CD instead of using a BoK/TP and having to wait for next GCD.
I don't consider myself that good but if you need any more help or questions add me on bnet and ill be on tomorrow. Qiix#2720.
Heres my logs for HC EN in case you wanted to compare https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/18803969/10/

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