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sillymod

REMINDER: Honey Badgers are suing Calgary Expo for discrimination! Fundraiser is 90% complete! PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN!

GOAL REACHED!

The previous post about this is 10 days old. I thought it important to make another one and use caps to try to get people's attention. There is 2 days left to donate. I know this is a tough time of year to donate, since everyone overspent at Christmas, but it is a really important cause!

Please contribute if you can!

http://www.feedthebadger.com/projects/get-the-badgers-to-trial/

Posted Jan 3, 2017, 5:43 PM UTC

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typhonblue•

Thank you! I see the usual suspects are out and about, trying to spike the fundraiser.

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oneiorosgripwontstfu•

I wonder if she even realizes she's arguing that because the suit is in your name, you should be required to prove your case without evidence from witnesses who experienced the incident with you, and then argued that any witnesses you do have who aren't local to your area should all take a significant (for our income levels) financial hit for being tapped to travel to Canada in the middle of the week (normal workdays for most people) as part of that responsibility. Or maybe that the defendants should be able to legal games and threats of more legal games to make it impossible for you to have witnesses due to the financial duress it causes.

Yay, feminist justice.

This, from a commenter who argued in another subreddit that if a baby mama says she needs money, the solution is not that she should earn it, but that her baby daddy has to earn it for her.

Yay feminist logic.

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Karissa36•

We have six people on our witness list, we would also like to bring up the team to help fill the courtroom plus we have to cover the travel costs for our legal agent, Harry. This is a total of 12 people.

Basic math. It's a thing.

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oneiorosgripwontstfu•

http://imgur.com/Ahj5uOk Reality: Your bait sucks and the only thing that smells worse than your bullshit is your boat.

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theothermodMOD•

I unstickied this because it's now been fully funded - another success for the top of the page.

I don't see any other candidates for a sticky just now, so I'll just make a general one.

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sillymodOP•

Sounds good.

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Karissa36•

http://www.feedthebadger.com/projects/honey-badger-brigade-legal-fund/

So far the Honey Badgers have collected approximately $45,000. in two separate requests for donations just to bring this hopelessly shitty case to trial. It's not even the Honey Badger's case. The only plaintiff is Alison Teiman, and it's going to be very hard for Alison to prove damages, even if she miraculously manages to win. Which she most likely will not.

The previous post from ten days ago is here and you will note from the 66 comments that donating further to this cause has become very controversial:

https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5k147v/get_the_honey_badgers_to_their_trial_spread_the/

One of those controversies is that the jurisdictional limit of the court Alison is in is only $50,000. That's right, even if wildly and so very unlikely successful, Alison can only collect $50,000.

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=36856F648A53F-BA5B-A6D3-942144FBE5372212

Who collects over $45,000. in donations for the very remote possibility of winning $50,000. and still keeps asking for more donations? Well, apparently Alison Teiman.

No need to take my word for it. Let's see what the Gamers think? You know, those people that Alison claims to be protecting.

https://np.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/3uq5ep/what_happened_to_the_rest_of_the_money_that/

Let's look at where the new money they are requesting is allocated as per their current fund raising site. Only $1000. is for attorney fees, presumably because they have already collected enough to pay their lawyer. They are however requesting a substantial sum of money to fly, feed and put up in a hotel six people, (their team), who are not expected to testify and have no role at all in this trial. Six people watching are obviously not going to "fill the courtroom" or have any impact at all on the verdict.

We have six people on our witness list, we would also like to bring up the team to help fill the courtroom plus we have to cover the travel costs for our legal agent, Harry. This is a total of 12 people. Budget: Accommodations(12 people): 3000$ Airfare: 7000$ Lost wages: 1000$ Per Diem: 2400$ Contingency: 1000$ Additional legal fees: 1000$ Total: 15400$

Right, because you definitely need to fly in an extra six people, and house them and feed them, so they can hold your hand or something in small claims court. This is such a scam.

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ThugOfWar•

What is this shit?

Your link to the mens right post, the comments are like:

I don't think that matters to someone like Karisssa... she isn't here to engage in honest discussion, but to troll. Her comment history makes it pretty clear that she knows her take on that in here is bullshit.

and the link to GamerGhazi is just bullshit conjecture from people on a sub created to oppose them.

You're delusional and obsessed about something completely irreverent. In all seriousness, you should speak to someone that can help you, starting with your doctor.

I hope you find some help.

BTW I paid over a grand in lawyer fees for buying a house with no legal complications what so ever.

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Karissa36•

Read the other comments on the prior post. I mean the comments from redditors who are NOT part of the Honey Badgers and trying to get free airplane tickets and hotel rooms. I am always amused by people who try to dismiss me as a troll on this sub. My post history begs to differ:

https://www.reddit.com/user/Karissa36/submitted/

Personal insults are not going to help you win any arguments. Especially not a cost versus benefit analysis of collecting over $45,000. in donations for a very remote chance to recover no more than $50,000.

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Ted8367•

a cost versus benefit analysis of collecting over $45,000

You are too fixated on money. The contributors obviously see a benefit above and beyond the financial. Or do you suppose they expect to be reimbursed from any court ordered payout?

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sillymodOP•

This is more about making a statement about the issues. How the hell do you think change is made?

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Karissa36•

How the hell do you think change is made?

Not by a very minor contract dispute by an unknown comic in small claims court, who derailed and disrupted a conference at a Con and then put it on YouTube. If this is the best way we can figure out how to spend $45K, MRA's might as well just throw in the towel right now.

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sillymodOP•

I watched the videos and read all the stuff surrounding that situation. Your view of it is drastically different than mine.

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MagicTampon•

As if feminists have never sued in a case they were almost certain to lose...

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tiqr•

The best part is that they haven't even retained a lawyer. Instead they have their "legal agent", "Harry". He's an agent because he got disbarred in Ontario for defrauding Legal Aid.

The reason this is being done in Provincial Court is because their "lawyer" cannot represent them in Queen's Bench because he is not a lawyer. He can, however, appear as an "agent" in Provincial Court. The downside to Provincial Court is that, as you say, there is a $50,000 limit to their claim.

Further, the Provincial Court does not have jurisdiction over defamation. This is why they are cleverly asking for damages under the "tort of injurious falsehood". This tort is virtually identical to defamation, but isn't, technically, defamation. The difference is that injurious falsehood concerns disparagement of the plaintiff's property, products, business or other attributes which affects their disposibility.

Here's the fatal flaw: nothing about this Calgary Expo story involves criticism about Honey Badger products. They got kicked out of the convention because of alleged conduct. Nothing disparaging was said about what they were selling. This argument will fail spectacularly.

The claim against Mary Sue will also fail spectacularly because they just published a story reporting on facts. There is no inducement to beach contract because the breach occurred before the article. The jurisdictional defense will also win, because the ABPC doesn't have jurisdiction over NY entities (they would using the defamation act in Queen's Bench, but we've already covered why they aren't claiming defamation).

The only claim with a chance of success is breach of contract. This might be successful depending on how the contract is worded. I don't have enough information to comment.

Finally, and this should not be overlooked, the "trial" on January 12th does NOT appear to be a trial. The Affidavits posted are in support of a summary judgment application. The defendants are seeking to have the claim dismissed without a trial on the grounds that there is no chance of success. The Honey Badgers don't get money if they win. That would only happen at a trial.

Further, I don't understand why they would need to bring "witnesses" to a summary judgment application. Summary Judgment applications are entirely based on law and affidavit evidence. There are no sworn witness testimonies.

The whole thing looks extremely amateurish, on both sides. Had the Badgers bothered consulting an actual lawyer, they would likely have been told to drop this suit a long time ago.

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typhonblue•

The Affidavits posted are in support of a summary judgment application. The defendants are seeking to have the claim dismissed without a trial on the grounds that there is no chance of success.

As we explained, the Summary Judgement was deferred to the trial date. The Judge who deferred the Summary Judgement also informed the Defendants that they better have their witnesses ready for trial on that date.

I guess his opinion matters less than yours.

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tiqr•

I couched my comment by saying it "appears" to not be a trial. Obviously I don't have all the paperwork, though I have never heard of a Trial being conducted simultaneously with a Summary Judgment Application. It would be self-defeating, as the whole point of summary judgment is to avoid a trial. But you're in Provincial Court, where the rules are made up but the points do matter.

In any event, best of luck to you next week. I will be interested in reading the outcome.

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