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Varon9519

Broncos Fan Coming in Peace...Some Thoughts About the Possible Move to Las Vegas

First of all, let me start by saying this. Roger Goodell's badness as commissioner is grotesquely exaggerated. Goodell has done many great things for the NFL, and I sincerely hope he continues to be the same commissioner that he's always been

All this aside, I understand the criticism for him too. Especially when it comes to moving teams. The only thing I can truly say I hate about Roger Goddell is the fact that he's a fat cat who views the NFL as his get-rich-quick scheme

The possible move to Las Vegas for the Raiders is totally pathetic. Maybe you fans of the team disagree, but I'm assuming you don't. I'm a fan of the Broncos, the Raiders biggest division rivals, and I think it's absurd. As much as I hate the Raiders (and I do fucking hate you), I'm able to overlook that and realize that between the Chargers moving to Los Angeles, and the Raiders possibly moving to Las Vegas, the NFL is totally slapping the history of our glorious division right in the face. If the Raiders need a new stadium, that's entirely understandable, and it should be built. But it should be built in Oakland. Just because the Los Angeles and Las Vegas moves provide larger markets absolutely does not mean the culture and the history of the Raiders in Oakland should be ripped away from the fans who have passionately loved their team for years. Oakland is a part of the Raiders, and the Raiders are a part of Oakland. If it isn't broken, don't fix it

Feel free to offer your complete thoughts towards this. Please be polite and respectful

Keep the Raiders in Oakland

Posted Feb 15, 2017, 11:08 PM UTC

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Badly_chapped_lips•

The Raiders moving to LV would definitely make the AFC West feel cheap, rivalries just wouldn't be the same if we didn't play in Oakland. It doesn't look like the move is happening thank goodness, but until we get the situation figured out, the threat of relocation is always looming.

As a season ticket holder, it's very stressful feeling so uncertain. I'm glad you feel the same way as I do, and most local Raiders fans.

Allow me to be the first to say, in the most polite and respectful way I can.

Fuck the Broncos, and go fuck yourself

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Varon9519OP•

I have decided to upvote you because even though you're a disgusting human being for being a fan of the Raiders, at least it was in favor of Oakland

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MechanizedMedic•

Doesn't part of the NFL charter specifically talk about the purpose of the league being to assist with financing?... IIRC, this was part of the reason they were considered a non-profit for so long. It's nuts that an organization with $12B dollars of revenue needs public assistance for anything other than zoning, permits or infrastructure planning.

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Spartanfox•

Well they aren't a non-profit anymore. In fact, they curiously dropped that distinction right before the first clusterfuck in LA.

I want to believe this is just the NFL going "well we had this before, why can't we still get public funding?" I just have one simple retort: because your pleading for a $2 billion dollar stadium when one 20 years ago cost a tenth of that and inflation....hasn't even doubled that cost isn't going to endear you to cities that would rather spend billions on roads, education, policing, its bonds from previous stadium construction, etc.

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thatssoright•

They dropped the non-profit in advance of it likely being challenged. That was a PR battle they couldn't win and probably didn't have anything to do with LA. That is all being financed by Kroenke.

The NFL doesn't finance the stadiums themselves because there is no money in it. If there was they would have done it a long time ago. The league wants to have their cake and eat it to. First rule of business is always use someone else's money. Once upon a time, public stadiums were not a bad deal. When they were multi-purpose and the city/county/state was able to get more use out of it and generate revenue. Now the NFL is pushing IOC levels of arrogance in their push for purpose built stadiums that are used only for them. When you had a stadium that cost 300-500 million that could be used for football, baseball and other things like concerts, that's probably a good investment. Now you have 1+ billion dollar stadiums that get used 8 days a year with the occasional concert and the team gets most of the revenue. There is very little benefit to the public spending that kind of money just for the team to pocket all the money. It's a scam and the only ones really paying for it are the fans.

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Varon9519OP•

Why is the idea of simply a brand new Oakland stadium not being considered as much as it should? But instead we barely heard about it, it fell through or something, and it was instantly all about Vegas from there on out

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Spartanfox•

I think the biggest dicking the NFL could take from all of this is if Las Vegas does fall through the cracks, the vote for relocation falls through, and they end up in San Diego.

I do agree with your points though. We've been together since the AFL was founded, and while you could have given LA a pass because they did end up going there for a decade (and there is a huge fanbase still there, hell, that's how I got started), they still shouldn't leave Oakland. I'll live with a Vegas Raiders team if push came to shove, but it would just be the biggest symbol of the NFL having its thumb up its ass that isn't concussion related. (Especially because Davis is in that class of "poor owners" that economically can't get it done himself, AND he barely has a controlling stake. The public shouldn't pay, and I don't see why the NFL couldn't make some sort of loan agreement.)

Also, to address the "Broncos fan coming in peace", this is my stance. I hope your team gets swallowed into the abyss we were in for twice as long, because your smug asses deserve it, but a virtual terrorist fist jab fist pound to you because you sound like an NFL fan, not a blind partisan of your team. I can respect that (but still...fuck the Broncos). (Also, minor correction, Vegas wouldn't be a bigger market. Oakland still has the Bay Area + Sacramento markets in play, which is way bigger than Vegas itself.)

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buffalobe•

couldn't agree more and now they want to tarnish the civic pride of this division...I understand this is a business but this league holds nothing sacred to the game of football anymore, that's why this fucking league is so watered down and commercial now.

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Wow, a Bronco fan comes in here and respects our legacy more than the fans on this sub. I've really seen it all.

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