"Arsene would be wise to announce he's going at the end of the season. Then I think the fans would unite to give him a decent send off". Is it time?
Posted Feb 15, 2017, 11:11 PM UTC
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Absolutely. Also, it puts managers around Europe on notice that one of the best jobs in football, one that has been previously completely untouchable, is available in May. Give a new manager the full summer and transfer window to shape the squad and maybe we won't start the season a month later than everyone else yet again.
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This is the right thing to do, but I fully expect indecision until mid August
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I hope we're that attractive to potential managers - good team, well-run club, but famously fickle fans, relatively little transfer resources considering player prices, and a club seemingly unmotivated to win the major trophies
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We are. This is THE Arsenal after all. Recent form hasn't been great, but the club has the allure that all managers would look for.
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Apart from Sanchez & Ozil, what is the allure?
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Financial power? A fantastic stadium? Brilliant training facilities? History?
I know things haven't been good but are you seriously suggesting managers would only be interested in two players?
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We're like the most supportive fans in Europe, at least for a top side. Whilst there is definitely a large minority of Wenger out fans every fan still respects him a lot for his time at the club and Wenger out protests are often shouted down by our fans
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I mean clubs like Dortmund definitely have better fans
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On what kind of basis?
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That would be ideal,yes.
Hold a press conference, announce you have decided to leave,rest of the season can be his farewell tour.
Hopefully that accomplishes 3 things;
- Players realise the Wenger is leaving and step up because they want him to have a good send off, or they realise that they will have to impress as they will now have to fight for their position at Arsenal because they will no longer have the safety net of Wenger.
2)It wakes up the Emirates stadium, with no more uncertainty and animosity, fans can unite and try and create a vibrant atmosphere at the emirates.
- The memes stop, or at least become irrelevant because all the focus then shifts to Wengers decision to leave as opposed to the arguments over when Wenger should leave,will he sign his contract,same old Arsenal etc.
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I hope against hope that we do this but it is a logical move- something with which we have little experience
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Some people like having a farewell tour, but everything points to Wenger being the sort that would leave abruptly rather than announce ahead of time.
Sure you can argue it's selfish of him, but so is creating a farewell season and the gong show that accompanies it.
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I don't know, its tearing the club apart at the moment, I don't think it'd be selfish of him to announce retirement sooner rather than later. Ideally he'd have bowed out with the league title, but that's just the way of it in football.
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Players who liked Wenger could also become demoralised though. Mesut has said he came to Arsenal because of him.
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At this point I don't give flying toss what a certain Mesut thinks. He signed a contract for Arsenal FC and wears that kit every match day not a Wenger In polo.
He's got abundance of talent but I don't see how he fits our system. We need to get rid of the number 10 role as it's an obsolete tactic.
If he leaves because of Arsene then good riddance. We've lost players like Henry, Pires, Vieira etc in the past so who the fuck is Mesut?
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Its a good point, I was only saying it to provide a counterpoint. I think its better he declares soon.
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The fans won't unite until he's gone now. He's been shielding Kroenke for too long.
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Kroenke is a turd bundle
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You think he's going to pass on £8m/yr contract extension with zero pressure from the board? LOL.
That's the problem. Wenger knows he faces no consequences. It's top down. The players know that goes for them as well.
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Nah i get the feeling he will go. He cant surely care so much about money at this point. Only pride will make him stay (or a miraculous turn in form).
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Wenger might just decide enough is enough and that the club is set up for years to go. If there is no reason for him to stay, he's going to leave and enjoy a comfortable retirement.
"I might be tired because I stay up late and wake up early" is going to take its toll on a 67 year old.
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It’s been time for ten years.
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I'd say 5 to be fair. While things were not great in those 10 years you had to give Wenger a chance to see what he could do with a change in circumstance.
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He should have gone 3 years ago but he just couldn't let go.
Ultimately he's holding Arsenal back.
Once he's gone then the coaching staff have to be amended. Huge job.
Then the culture in the club will have to change. No more kids. Sign seasoned veterans.
Thanks very everything Arsene but go quickly.
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Time to consider that Cazorla / Ramsey aside, that was pretty much a full strength team that played tonight. Which leads us to an uncomfortable realisation: were those players really 5-1 bad in terms of their quality as footballers? Could a different manager have achieved a better result with the same team? Has AW learnt nothing on his last 2 trips to Germany?
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Could a different manager have achieved a better result with the same team?
I guess ive posted this alot now but yeah, I really believe so mate.
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When you look at teams who go out onto the pitch extremely organised tactically and proceed to perform above expectations, like PSG the other night and then compare that to Arsenal who routinely perform well below expectations with little or no tactical organisation or maneuverability.
You have to imagine that another manager would be able to organise this team into a more efficient model.
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And that's leaving out the fact that he constructed the team himself. Its not like he was landed with a bunch of players and told to do the best he can with them.
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At least the injuries are sorting themselves out though
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The contracts of our big players are surely playing a role in when they announce this. It may be the case that they need to be convinced to stay if Wenger is leaving.
I'm assuming that based on many of them saying they signed because of him. Truthfully they may be tired of him as well.
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Well that's just it, they'd have to show they're replacing him with a top manager. Announce tomorrow Wenger is leaving without a good backup, and their heads may turn.
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they should only announce it once they have secured a replacement
Why? Surely if other managers realise we are looking, they might be less interested in signing new contacts where they are in an attempt to get this role.
Considering it could take a few months to find a replacement whilst the fans and media continue to be against him, why do you think it would be better to wait to announce it?
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Why? Surely if other managers realise we are looking, they might be less interested in signing new contacts where they are in an attempt to get this role.
While not announced publicly, it would still be communicated to other managers privately through agents etc. to let them know.
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And agents are well known for keeping their mouths shut. I'd certainly use it as leverage to get a better deal if I was at least in the running.
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We are already identifying and contacting managers and have been for months...
Not quite the same as hiring a new manager though. We'll need to work with other clubs, there's no way we'd keep it secret.
Nothing you've said really gives a reason as to why it would be bad to release the news or good to keep it quiet.
The benefit is a bit of certainty within the club. I know a new manager would on its own create uncertainty, but at least we've got a clear destination. At the moment, who knows whether we are in for more of the same or a change.
It annoys fans, it annoys players, being kept out the picture... Are players really desperate to come and play for AW anymore?
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it was time last season. He's been at a gradual and slow decent in effectiveness as a manager the past two seasons, with the second FA Cup win glossing it over.
The one three years ago was pretty well earned, though.
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I don't know. I've been behind him as manager for his entire career here at Arsenal. But recently, over the last two seasons, I've begun to lean towards it might be best if he resigned. He has got the signings and every (or most) resources he needs, yet the progress has been slow. It's not like when he brought Arsenal through the tough years, when he without a doubt was the best manager for the job (hence the "X amount of years without a trophy" is complete bullshit).
It's not the problem that Arsenal lose 5-1 to Bayern or are behind a Chelsea that's been outstanding compared to everyone else in the PL - those things happen! - but it's that the same pattern continues to emerge. There are so many injuries that aren't down to tough tackles or such things, every year. There's the inevitably dip in form in January to February. And so on.
However, this is NOT a decision to be made or announced after a game like this. It's too emotional and everyone is upset. You only make dumb and rash decisions in an emotional state like this. Give it a few weeks, preferably after a good run in the league, and then announce if that's going to happen.
He should make his decision known soon though, it would be the decent thing to do. I doubt the club would allow him to wait until the end of May in case he says no. By not announcing that he's leaving, it would be a blow to those loyal fans who has stood by him all these years. I'd feel quite betrayed.
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Wow, look! A rational, well thought out comment. Good on you mate, fully agree with you.
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Thank you. I had a really shitty day (unrelated to yesterdays debacle), and this comment lifted my spirit a bit somehow :)
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lets face it, even if we didn't fuck up vs bayern, we're not gonna reach the final anyway. may as well rest up and try what we can in the PL
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bottled that last week.
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And the week before...
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Probably means making top 4.
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The FA cup is the only thing were in for and if we lose to Sutton I might have to kill myself from the shame.
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tbh i don't really care about FA cup. losing to sutton would be hilarious i would prefer it over going to the final and losing to stoke or some shit
...yea i just want to watch the world burn at this point
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It was time after the last FA cup win tbh
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It would be pointless for him to announce that he's leaving right now. Even though a lot of fans and pundits have been calling for it for years, it would still come across as reactionary and temperamental right after the 5-1 bashing. We'd never hear the end of it from "pundits" and other fans. If he is to leave at the end of the season, and I'm sure he'll be wrestling with the idea every time he goes to bed this week, he should announce it maybe after the Sutton game (providing we win, no givens in this sober state). Then hopefully everyone will pull together, players, fans, pundits, and win the FA Cup, maybe make a daring raid for the League but that looks pretty unlikely.
If he is to leave, the contracts of our big players remain a big question mark. We'd need to sign an attractive, big-name manager to convince them to stay and to influence the signings of others.
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Thank you for the interest in our business.
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Toxicity and lack of creativity in our formations is what gets me..especially when we see promising performances like the one against Chelsea the first time around and the grit we have sometimes displayed till the 90th min. But CL is a different beast altogether and it would be fair to say that players like Coq and Gibbs are a bit one dimensional....there hasn't been a worse time to say that maybe Wenger should portray something of a glimmer of hope for us else who knows what is next for us....defeating Sutton Utd. wouldn't be something of an achievement but at this moment..I'll take it as an Arsenal supporter.
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I was the time when we won a FA cup two times in a roll, the perfect time. Now there is not even too much sentiment for a decent send off the way this is going. He turned his club and our club into a global joke
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Wise? You mean it's wise for him to reject a tenure 8 mil pounds per year contract with no expectation? Or is it wise for him to sign for ANY OTHER good club in the world, fails to win trophy and bottles big games for a couple of years, gets laughed at and get sacked? Wenger is a lot of things, but he is wise. I would say if he still somehow have the nerd to stay, I question his love for the club.
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If he said he was leaving now, we'd actually unite. Doubt it happens.
Think he announces it at the start of next season, saying it's 'his last season'. Goes out on a high and wins the PL.
Well, that's my dream at least.
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Fans have been having that dream every season for the last 10 years.
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Yeah, I doubt it's realistic but hey, it's just a dream.
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The moment to leave is the end of the season, but announcing it soon would, hopefully, end a lot of the toxicity amongst our fans. Win, draw or lose it is always made to be all about Wenger In vs Wenger Out. That surely is not conducive to success if the fans can't even back the team because of the man in charge.
During the first 5 minutes of today's game I was sick to my stomach by our setup. EVERYONE saw this coming from the start of the game, it's almost impossible to setup worst than Wenger did. It's literally almost like he learned nothing from the Everton and City games, and I don't know how I can back the team when the man in charge makes it impossible for them to succeed.
We need an entirely complete revolution. Honestly it's bigger than Wenger, he's a huge part of the problem but it doesn't stop there.
I've been saying for months he can't put Ozil in front of Xhaka and Coquelin because any fast midfielder can run through the two of them. But it happens every big game.
It wouldn't end all the toxicity unfortunately. It might be better if he suddenly left at the end of the season (obviously letting the board know in advance) so that some of the cretins who go on Arsenal TV can't use the final day to have one last pop.
I don't know, it could go either way. The fans could split before the end of the season if wenger doesn't announce retirement soon. I hope he does it sooner rather than later, and the Wenger out/in factions can come together and give him a respectable send off for all he's done for the club. My god there's been no other manager like him in modern times, we should be eternally thankful. Of course if he announces retirement now perhaps the Wenger out lot will be asking for him to leave immediately. I would hope they would have enough respect to let him leave peacefully, but there are some hateful cretins out there so who knows.