3-fpm vs 4f-mph: My review
Thought I'd post my feelings on these two chems. For the tl;dr people, 3-fpm blows it out of the water in almost every way IMO and is just simply an amazing chem.
First, a little about me. I'm looking for something functional for work but certainly don't mind if it's also fun. I used Ritalin back in university 10-20mg usually 3 days or so a week. But that was years ago and otherwise I don't do any stims.
What I'm looking for is something that's primary functional. I don't need it every day. But there are days I have to buckle down and do boring office based work and I was struggling with it. The days I'm working outside of the office I don't need anything so don't need something every day. Maybe 2 days a week at most. Since Ritalin worked for me in university to study, I did my research and tried these two chems.
Dosages: I'm comparing 4f-mph 10mg taking orally vs 3-fpm 40mg taken orally in the morning with no redosing at all.
4f-mph: Definitely "stronger" of the two causing me to be more stimulated. Almost uncomfortably so. Very much like Ritalin but seems to have more of the negative side of Ritalin being stronger. It's not terrible - it's certainly a functional stim. But I definitely felt a bit more "zombieish" and slightly anxious and a tiny bit irritable. I definitely was productive but I did find myself becoming a bit sidetracked and obsessed with smaller details. I was getting work done and I had a lot of motivation but I wouldn't say I was particularly enjoying it. I felt anxious for no reason but this settled down when I stopped working and started playing video games and I enjoyed it more than. Finally, holy hell does this stim last a long time. I took a 10mg dose at 11am and wasn't sure I was going to be able to sleep at 1am since I still felt wide awake (although I was able to in the end). Overall, it's a decent stim and I would use it if I had nothing else and I'm probably being overly hard on it just because I have something to compare it to which I think is better. I'd describe it as a stronger, longer acting Ritalin with a slightly more negative feeling.
3-fpm: Simply amazing and I really have almost nothing bad to say about this chem. It's very subtle at 40mg. Like I'm almost not sure I've taken anything because I don't have that "body" high or racing thoughts. But I'm in a super good mood and extremely productive. Boring office work is actually fun. I'm super happy to talk to anyone and everyone. And in the end, there's no "crash" where I get cranky and demotivated. It just wears off gently around mid afternoon and I'm completely normal and in a great mood in the evening. Sleep is no problem at all.
There have been reports of the "3-fpm flu" when taking this regularly and then stopping. For me, this same thing happened to me if I was taking Ritalin regularly (daily) for a few busy weeks around exams and then stopped. I'm pretty sure it's just withdrawal from these type of substances. Since 3-fpm is so subtle, I can see people taking more and more of it and getting this worse. Although I think those withdrawal symptoms are pretty much universal among all the methylphenidate analogs.
So, in review, 3-fpm is just a perfect amazing substance when taken in the 40mg range orally on an infrequent basis if you're looking for something functional. I'm pretty sure it's amazing as well in the 80mg range for a more fucntional Euphoria if you're going to a party but I haven't tried this yet (but I will at some point). I think this may be that "Limitless" chem from the movie I've been searching for.
Lastly, I've never noticed that "moreish" quantity people have spoken about but I really don't have an addictive personality at all and I also am not snorting it. Even at a party, I'll smoke a joint but then be happy for the rest of the night and will never go outside for another round. I'm usually content to be where I am and don't really ever go chasing a high. There have been reports about how "fiendish" and "moreish" this substance can be so maybe be careful if this is something you struggle with. But if you're looking for a one and done to take in the morning to get you through a day of work motivated I'd recommend highly that you try this as the first step given how subtle and pleasant it is.
Feel free to AMA if I can help!
Posted Feb 27, 2017, 8:02 PM UTC · edited
Nice review, very similar to my thoughts on the two. I have probably been through about 30g of 4f-mph (very potent batches) and about 150+ g of 3-fpm. I have always used both for recreation.
4f-mph: Extreme mental stimulation but without any deviation in thoughts in terms of horniness, creativity or motivation. If at home I'd invariably think to sort something out, check a Youtube tutorial on how to do it and find myself wondering how I ended up watching gypsy bare knuckle fights three hours later. I would get distracted or so obsessed with details I didn't actually find it that good for getting stuff done despite me appearing very busy. That said I suspect more controlled doses would be an aid.
3-fpm despite many finding it functional I never really used it that way and always push though to what I find a very recreational stim. I can see how it can be a controlled social drug without making it obvious you're high, just very outgoing, confident and fun. Higher doses and for me I still get that energy which makes me bounce like I've had some good coke but with a really nice body high which can become euphoric at around 200mg +.
I've always found 3-fpm quite fiendish but tend to snort (with bombing if I want to get very high) but as you've found the comedown is virtually none existent, it is so smooth, little in the way of jitters (till I really push it and actually I quite enjoy that feeling), a big session and I wake up feeling like I've had a few beers. Sleep is usually ok 3-4 hours after my last dose (snorted) and with benzos has never been a problem. 4f-mph on the other hand I'd have to wait 4 hours and have a strong benzo to sleep otherwise there is no chance. This could be seen as an advantage or disadvantage as those looking to stay up or get through a day's work on little sleep could have a dose of 4f-mph which would see them through the best part of a shift.
Overall though, having moved on to 4f-mph from 3-fpm due to a ridiculous tolerance I always felt there was something missing with 4f-mph. It is quite dull by comparison, it just doesn't have any magic or make me feel good and motivated in the way 3-fpm does.
Also of note, after 12 months abusing 3-fpm while it did take its toll it wasn't till I switched to 4f-mph that I could really feel my mental health suffering, psychosis awaits with daily abuse.