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Austin_Drake

[SPOILERS] An Interesting Lore Insight into the Name of one of the Beasts

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From the diary of King Dorephan of the Zora

Long, long ago... In a past more distant than even the Great Calamity or the creation of the Divine Beast Vah Ruta… There was a Zora princess named Ruto. We know that she was an attendant to the Zora patron deity and that she was a fair and lively girl, beloved to all. Around that same time, an evil man with designs on ruling the world appeared, bringing disaster upon Zora's Domain. It is said that Ruto then awoke as a sage, facing this foe alongside the princess of Hyrule and the hero of legend. Her achievements are remembered not only by the Zora, they are also forever etched in the history of Hyrule. The Divine Beast Vah Ruta, built ages later to face off against Calamity Ganon, was named in honor of Ruto. That the Zora princess-my sweet daughter Mipha-was chosen to pilot Ruta is surely the work of fate.

Posted Mar 1, 2017, 1:10 AM UTC

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mariofredshreller•

Not child timeline CONFIRMED

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uss1701jb•

But it can't possibly be downfall either, right? They wouldn't bother praising her if Link failed.

I'm still thinking it's retconning the timeline and giving us a unified timeline where there is no split and the downfall timeline slots in after BotW, which is after TP (I don't know if it's before or after FSA). The WW saga would then fit in after Zelda II

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darklordoftech•

Hyrule Historia says that after Link failed, the Sages were still able to seal Ganon.

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Tehjaliz•

Link failed in the final battle against Ganon, so the sages were already awoken and sealed him.

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linksawakening88•

Three possibilities at this point: pre-ALttP, post-AoL, or a fourth timeline split somewhere. Given Gannon's current state I think it's post AoL. The sages were remembered in the towns. What's unclear is why some of the sages were not chosen or were forgotten.

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GrumpySatan•

Could also be really far into the future of the Child Timeline (after FSA) given we know that the game is 10,000 years after the Divine Beasts were built. Large timeline for them to add things.

The only place I can see a fourth timeline being added is a branch from the child timeline in Majora's mask. Where "The moon falls and Link dies" is the starting point. Though they could always add an event pre-OOT involving time travel (would make sense to have another story about the Ocarina, maybe something like the Master Sword in SS where we get the origin of it).

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Mustache_Guy•

It can't be in the child timeline though. Ruto did not awaken as a sage and help Zelda and Link against Ganondorf. Nor did Ganondorf get the chance to bring disaster upon Zora's Domain as this journal claims.

So definitely not anywhere in the Child Timeline unless almost the exact events of Ocarina of Time repeated themselves not for note after OoT.

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Logizmo•

But on a stream it was shown that Arbiter's Ground with a smashed Mirror of Twilight exists?

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darklordoftech•

Midna doesn't just smash the Mirror of Twilight, she outright destroys it.

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Austin_DrakeOP•

That seems to be nothing but a rumor. ChuppyChap did a livestream where he went to the location called Arbiter's Grounds in the game. All he found were some non-distinct ruins, a Molduga, and no signs of the mirror.

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Tehjaliz•

In the downfall timeline, Link failed in the final battle. The sages certainly sealed Ganon using the Arbiter's Ground.

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GrumpySatan•

Presumably she does become a sage, since by Ganondorf's execution all the sages are awakened and present (As we see in Twilight Princess), whereas only the sage of light is still active come OOT. The "disaster" could be the events that lead up to Link getting the Saphire since presumably, if Link didn't stop the curse, shit would've went down. Though its a bit of a stretch to call it a "disaster", but Ganondorf did cause issues at Zora's domain before Link ratted him out.

You could also argue that its implied that end scene in Ocarina of Time happens before Link gathers the stones, given how it mirrors the first meeting when Zelda tells him about his vision (and that she is kidnapped when he returns from Zora's domain). Which might mean something different happened to the domain without him to break the curse.

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yay855•

Actually, the TP sages are all human in form- if at least two of them are non-human, why would they look like old men?

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SuperNeonManGuy•

Presumably she does become a sage, since by Ganondorf's execution all the sages are awakened and present

Child timeline, the original sages were never killed, Rauru's probably there, but the sages present in TP are likely the generation BEFORE Ocarina of Time since Ganondorf never got in to the sacred realm

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lordtuts•

You could also argue that its implied that end scene in Ocarina of Time happens before Link gathers the stones

I know this thread is almost a week old, but it got linked in another post, and I always like discussing the Spiritual Stones.

While it's not really a big deal to the point of figuring out timeline placement, I just wanted to point out that at some point before the events of TP, someone did gather the stones (I would imagine Link), and took them to the Gorons. They are all three visible in the Goron Mines during TP.

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linksawakening88•

Mm, not sure about child timeline. The sages never gain prominence in that timeline, nor does the Hero of Time.

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GrumpySatan•

The sages did gain prominence, since they did execute Ganon at the Arbiter's ground. And "the hero of legend" presumably does at some point (if the people don't just consider Link as a child the hero) since by the time TP roles around we have a ghost of the hero of time. Zelda at least would know the truth about the "hero of time" and presumably could've left record at least.

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linksawakening88•

Those are different sages. https://zeldawiki.org/Sage

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uss1701jb•

The only place I can see a fourth timeline being added is a branch from the child timeline in Majora's mask. Where "The moon falls and Link dies"

IMHO this doesn't work, unless Link getting the sword techniques is really important for his quest in TP

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jaidynreiman•

pre-ALttP is rather unlikely at this point, but technically isn't ruled out. We don't know how much time has gone by between OOT and LTTP.

That being said, with the numbers we have in-game, after all past games is far more likely.

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linksawakening88•

Yeah, actually I agree. I'm being too cautious. Definitely seems like a far future game, far after everything else in the downfall timeline.

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ragnarokxg•

The Divine Beast Vah Ruta, built ages later to face off against Calamity Ganon, was named in honor of Ruto

This part does not sit well with me. I thought that Divine Beasts were excavated 100 years ago, when Calamity Ganon appeared. Not that they were built to face him.

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Austin_DrakeOP•

They were excavated 100 years ago. But they were built to help a Hero seal Ganon 10,000 years ago. It is just saying Vah Ruta was built ages after the sage Ruto aided presumably the Hero of Time against Ganondorf.

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ragnarokxg•

Against Ganon, not Calamity Ganon. I may be nitpicking here, and either that is an error not caught by Testers/Developers or it was done on purpose which could give a hint to a place on the timeline.

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